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#101
Dec 21 2009 12:06am
I thought gay marriage was already legal...
But I reckon it should be illegal.
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#102
Dec 21 2009 12:39am
Quote (Hammer_Hdin @ Dec 21 2009 02:06am)
I thought gay marriage was already legal...
But I reckon it should be illegal.


Is it opposite day already?
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#103
Dec 21 2009 12:47am
You know what the best part of the gay marriage debate is?

It's the legal and constitutional arguments the social conservatives pull out of their ass to gain some 'legitimacy'. Especially when in all other aspects, they don't seem to give two shits, or you see them bending over backwards to have the constitution fit their needs.

It's fucking pathetic, and a complete non-issue. It's nothing more than a distraction from more important issues. Am I the only other person who feels that the gay marriage debate is freaking retarded? Can we move on? Can we grow up? The sooner the right can cede all these fucking no-brainer social issues the sooner we can stop the left from raping us fiscally. And really, at the end of the day, you and society are so much worse off because you have to pay more taxes for welfare programs than because your neighbors like poking each other in the poop-schute.
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#104
Dec 21 2009 12:54am
Quote (tric-isHUGE @ Dec 21 2009 02:47am)
You know what the best part of the gay marriage debate is? 

It's the legal and constitutional arguments the social conservatives pull out of their ass to gain some 'legitimacy'.  Especially when in all other aspects, they don't seem to give two shits, or you see them bending over backwards to have the constitution fit their needs.

It's fucking pathetic, and a complete non-issue.  It's nothing more than a distraction from more important issues.  Am I the only other person who feels that the gay marriage debate is freaking retarded?  Can we move on?  Can we grow up?  The sooner the right can cede all these fucking no-brainer social issues the sooner we can stop the left from raping us fiscally.  And really, at the end of the day, you and society are so much worse off because you have to pay more taxes for welfare programs than because your neighbors like poking each other in the poop-schute.


I can agree with this.
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#105
Dec 21 2009 01:16am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Dec 20 2009 10:39pm)
Is it opposite day already?


you realize anytime you ask this question the answer will always be no
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#106
Dec 21 2009 09:08am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Dec 21 2009 12:30am)
Article 8 of the 14th Amendment. Protects rights against state infringements, which is what all straight people currently have. Gay marriage is either a rights issue or a civil liberties issue. Either way you look at it, the only reason it is illegal is because the government restricts both rights and liberties. If there were no government, there are churches that would marry gays as well as straights. Now that marriage is a state issue, it cannot be seen as a religious issue because of the separation of church and state.


Separation of church and state merely stops the government from favoring one religion over any other. All laws are based upon some standard of religion. Religion is as much a part of government as government. As far as laws go the majority's choice in the matter should prevail through democracy. As of now people do not want homosexuals to marry and that's being represented through their representatives.

Even still there are no official rights for homosexuals so until a state grants them the right to marry their rights haven't been infringed upon at all. (in a legal sense, but in a moralistic sensitive way sure everyone deserves to be married and deserves a nice lollipop too)
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#107
Dec 21 2009 09:53am
Idc Marriage is a union under some false god ect ect

nn

But I believe that everyone deserves the right...
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#108
Dec 21 2009 11:11am
Quote (Sioux @ Dec 20 2009 07:29pm)
You've totally just explained why all primate species besides humans are monoga-O WAIT A MINUTE.


Sociology would explain it, but biology? Not so much.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Dec 20 2009 07:35pm)
Marriage has always been about procreation?

So then all married couples have children...?

Plus, same-sex couples can go through the routes of: adoption, surrogacy, or intravenous insemination.


Yes.

No.

And can be done with a civil union.

Quote (Ryuk44 @ Dec 20 2009 09:35pm)
why leave it up to some corrupt unjustified traditions of the female and male hooking up from our ignorant ancestors to decide if its right or wrong? this is the 21st century shits gonna change


Including word definition?

Quote (sicklad @ Dec 20 2009 09:49pm)
Once again, religion stands in the way of equality for all.


My position is NOT based on religion. It is an evolution of my thought process towards a compromise between the two sides.

Quote (inkanddagger @ Dec 20 2009 10:41pm)
Actually, you are very very wrong. If one group is allowed to be married and have it recognized by the state and another is not, that group is not a "straw man", that group is one that is being denied rights. Now, if you consider marriage a liberty rather than a right as I do, then the current system is prohibiting liberties. So, summarily, the current system of banning gay marriage is preventing both rights and liberties. I, as a trueAmerican™, cannot abide that.


You once again miss my point. A: No one should have their marriage recognized by the state. B: Everyone should have their union recognized by the state. Ergo, everyone gets their entitled rights, so then, if no one is denied their rights, the comparison is a straw man. I do not consider marriage a liberty, because in this context, the word liberty is interchangeable with right. I consider marriage a privilege. Also, as I said earlier, if gays want to be married, they can still find a church to do it for them, and government could have NO SAY in whether a church chooses to recognize such a marriage or not. In other words, in this scenario, the state CAN'T get involved because of the separation doctrine.
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#109
Dec 21 2009 11:28am
yep
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#110
Dec 21 2009 11:29am
Quote (HdDChiller @ Dec 21 2009 12:28pm)
yep


You hold a view that is never going to happen.

Marriage(by the governments definition) for none and civil unions for all.
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