Lol. As if I need advice from someone in a cult. Fuck off loser.

If its helpful, I think he's talking about how Ukraine was a relatively stable, peaceful and functional democracy prior to 2014 and even after the Maidan western Ukraine aligned with the US/EU was capable of becoming an insular but functional democracy, like so many post schism countries have achieved. The only holdup to a peaceful resolution to the slow burning civil war was the American-backed proxy war premised on western Ukraine's claim to the east. One not backed up by international law (as a coup d'etat) nor any moral high ground (after massacres and years of siege) nor by force of arms (territory never held for a day)

Ukraine could have diplomatically resolved this war before it even began in earnest. There is every reason to think Putin would have negotiated in good faith for the separatist regions being given autonomy, when his bargaining position was asking so much less than we've ceded to him on the battlefield. We have the transcripts and tapes, Putin asked for mere recognition and deconfliction. Macron was hostile and dismissive and refused to acknowledge the separatists at all, not giving them any recognition for even the start of bargaining. That only Kyiv was legitimate and separatists are all terrorists. Even though only the DPR/LPR/Crimea now followed the last lawfully elected government regime and Kyiv was ruled by a revolutionary junta.

We could make all the moralizing lectures we wanted. And our hypocrisy was not backed up by the necessary force of arms to take the lands we claimed. Ukraine even post Maidan had every opportunity to achieve a peaceful long term solution as a smaller country that didn't lay full jurisdiction over the people they had disenfranchised. It was NATO powers that forced a conflict.

Whats the counterargument? Putin was lying? What did he have to gain? Trust people when they're asking for something to their own benefit. Russia would much rather control a sphere of influence that cost them no blood or treasure than fight a years long war. Thats what you realize when you analyze geopolitics from the standpoint of (mostly) rational actors, rather than our brave shining knights against their thuggish ogres

That's my personal favorite in terms of Democrat's failed campaign strategy:

Step 1: prosecute Trump over paying hush money to the pornstar with which he cheated his pregnant wife, all so they can call him "convicted felon" on the campaign trail.
Step 2: turn around and try to sell the public on the idea that Trump is a closeted christofascist who will institute a nationwide abortion ban and turn America into Gilead.

If supporting Ukraine was popular, Trump would not have won. Again, sit down, child. The voter has spoken. There's zero doubt. The US is currently under invasion ourselves. Ukraine, the most corrupt "western" nation on the planet is not our concern.

If your claim is that POLITICIANS support Ukraine, as opposed to the American people? Who cares? That's why those politicians, such as Kamala Harris, are being voted out. Tad slow on the uptake, aren't you?

Really hilarious to watch the libs in here meltdown

Joe couldn't say he would pardon his son during the election, it wasn't beneficial to the race. Once it's all over I get it and I would wager most people would pardon their son too. If I were joe I would pardon my son. I would put family in front of those values, especially after I lost. If I won, odds are he could swing no jail anyways, but once he lost it was his last chance to get his son off the hook.

The rich get double standards all the time, this is nothing new. I get it though, how many people wouldn't pardon their own kids? People can argue all they want about double standards and what he did, but you just have to put yourself in that situation. pardoning your own kids is something most people would do.

I think most people don't begrudge Biden bailing out his only son. Does anyone here really think they' do otherwise? We can criticize the hypocrisy and double standards and false moral high ground they claimed. And the crimes, the corruption. But the pardon? Naw

But lying about it is egregious for how baldfaced it is. No deniablity, no wiggle room, no weasle words. He didn't quibble over what the definition of 'is' is. Just straight up repeatedly lied and lied and lied and turned around and imploded his lie

But it's our trash.

I think America has gotten much to show for it.

LOL 4 years of lawsuits and it all failed because there wasn't anything substantial there. No one cares about this "convicted felon" label unless you're part of the hardcore TDS crowd.

And here you are defending another Hunter Biden topic because the big guy just pardoned his crooked son, can't make this shit up lmao

This post was edited by Djunior on Dec 3 2024 11:37pm