Oh, I sometimes don't pick up on things like that.

I am an agnostic atheist. I am convinced that no god exists beyond reasonable doubt, but CANNOT know it, I am also not trying to prove it because it is impoasible to prove the non-existence of a being. I cant prove that flying elephants dont exist, I cant prove dinosaurs havent survived somewhere, but I am convinced of it beyond reasonable doubt.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Sep 20 2024 12:18am

I suppose I will condescend to agree to that particular amalgamation of words.. Although I don't particularly like it lol

No one created the creator that's why it's the prime mover or supreme creator (two ways of describing the same thing) or it created itself, whatever it is exists outside the bounds of physics and time as we understand it. The writings of Aristotle formed the foundation of what was later Scholasticism as crystallized by Aquinas which forms the bedrock of all science. I would read Aristotle to get a better explanation since I'm no legendary polymath

This post was edited by El1te on Sep 20 2024 12:23am

Nonsensical. No prime mover can exist. Without the universe there are no dimensions. Your asking me to accept that the universe cant spawn itself but the god thing creator can or always was. No sorry

Read Aristotle is all I'll say. If you can logically refute him (saying "lol no this is nonsense" isnt an argument) you'll change the course of human history going forward. But no one has been able to in thousands of years so I doubt your chances

This post was edited by El1te on Sep 20 2024 12:32am

It kind of is nonsensical, although I agree with Elite that this is not a foundation to argue.

For me its like that:

Religious people often act like believing that a god exists is kind of in the same ballpark as going with the big bang as best explanation. Its not.

The Main difference is that the god claim doesnt follow a logical path, therefor can never lead to scientific truth in the end (which is the only truth we currently know).

If I say I see the big bang as the best explanation for the starting point of the universe I dont say that because I like it more, I say it because as a rational and logical being, I see more sense in it in the way that its a theory I can trace back scientifically.
I dont say that the Big Bang theory is without doubt the truth, all I say it its the best bet. I dont wanna explain here WHY science goes with the big bang theory, you can read it everywhere, but as a matter of fact its enough evidence to build a case, a theory.
With god, thats not possible. As religious people always say, the claim is he acts outside of our universe, so we dont have tools to scientifically follow his footsteps. We cant even open a case, we cant build a theory, there is no foundation for it.
The claims are absolutely extraordinary, we have no method to even theorize about it. We have no clues how we would ever detect such a being, if it doesnt give us anything. We dont even know if god would be possible in theory, we have no comparison, no way to explain what could have happened.

So believing in god has no base, no reason, there is nothing to build upon.
The Big Bang theory has all those things. It is reasonable to go with it until proven, disproven or because we find an even better explanation.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Sep 20 2024 01:27am

His book should be here by the 25th, I'll let you know.

You understand that Aristotle is not really a friend of religious people in what he says, right? You wanna bring him up to support what group of people?

I mean, its true to say that he cannot be disproven, but thats because what he says is totally abstract and not provable or disprovable.

special pleading