Can you be more specific? Abortion "at any stage" of pregnancy clearly means pre birth since pregnancy ends with birth, so where can babies be aborted post birth and when did this occur?

Edit: I googled the gun buyback program and what I found is that Harris supported gun buybacks 2019 but doesn't anymore? The only source that says Harris still does is Trump itself which seems awfully convenient.

This post was edited by SkySwallower on Sep 9 2024 07:34am

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/migrant-encounters-at-the-us-mexico-border-hit-a-record-high-at-the-end-of-2023/




All this info has been posted on here, before now. It's pretty much common knowledge.

I know those stats and they imply more people come to the border and are caught there. This does not mean weak borders but higher interest to immigrate (or better capture rates at the border).

This makes no sense. People wouldn't be coming if there was a high probability of not getting in. Coyotes bring people in daily and know enforcement very well. If the borders weren't weak, you wouldn't see streams of thousands.

Ok... how about these stats...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://budget.house.gov/download/ogr-icymi&ved=2ahUKEwiNgIq4_rWIAxXLF1kFHfSrKuYQFnoECEIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tB3EsTnBmugV1WGix2Clq







That's ~460,000 per year. That doesn't seem like a very secure border to me. ^^
In 50 years that would be 23 million got-aways.
50 years may "seem" like a long time. It isn't. 50 years ago I was 18 yrs. old.




The numbers work out to 25.3% of all encounters at the border... get through.
So the higher the numbers of "encounters"... the higher the number of got-aways.

So the Pew Research graph is just as accurate.

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 9 2024 07:59am

This is something you already think, not something you can infer from the data. More apprehensions means either more people comming to the border, a better rate of capturing them or both.

The underlying cause for more people comming to the border could be a myriad of things, one of them being a perceived better chance of entry.

Being pedantic. More people captured, more encounters are observed because there's more people coming as enforcement under this administration is non-existent. 3 year ago Kamala was called the border Czar and was going to do something about it. Nothing was done and now white dudes for Harris want to pretend the border isn't a mass. Laughable really.

As I said, you already have a point of view and use the data to support it, even though the data doesn't hold for that.

Immigration will continue to be a huge issue for all rich countries for the foreseeable future, so I think it is even more important to understand the problem and the possible solutions clearly instead of falling for populism as an easy answer for a highly complex problem.

The "problem" is NOT complex.
We already allow "legal" immigration. No one is talking about that.

ILLEGAL immigration is a simple problem with a fairly simple solution. Don't let people IN who haven't immigrated legally.

It's a problem for countries that refuse to truly enforce borders, not all rich countries. There's plenty of rich nations globally that have manageable levels of immigration, with what their populaces want. Norway, Switzerland, Japan, SK, many others.

It's a cop out for politicians and white dudes for Harris to be peddling 'well everyone is dealing with it'. Start holding those in power accountable instead of defending their inaction.