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Jul 21 2024 06:32pm
So we're DEEP in the uncharted waters here and there's no precedent, hell we already had a debate with someone who isn't even a presidential candidate anymore
so if we get our feet back on the ground and try to assess: what is actually going to happen? What little can we predict?

Democrats are trying to circle around Kamala but lmao. The one democrat with worse polling than Biden. We're going into a convention that wasn't even supposed to be held ('virtual roll call' and then a theater) and all the delegates are currently unbound, with no candidates even having time to throw their hat in the ring. Democrats have to be asked one by one whether they're willing to step up or endorse Kamala, and nobody is challenging her yet, though clearly someone must at which point there are no more rules. There are folks like Williamson and Manchin who aren't serious contenders but are asking to throw their hat in, but heavyweights still need to be asked. Those who swore they wouldn't challenge Joe Biden, well their oaths mean nothing now.

the most obvious calculation for any democrat now is that all they're accomplishing by running for president at this point is feeding themselves into a woodchipper. You could run, but what do you accomplish? Laying the groundwork for a 2028 candidacy against vice president Vance's campaign? Someone like Amy Klobuchar who was lukewarm at best to begin with, has no reason to be ambitious now when the odds of winning are so pathetic, so she quickly turns to Kamala. But lord knows horizontal harris is no winning ticket so at this point I just think we have no idea wtf is going to happen in coming weeks
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Jul 21 2024 06:59pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 21 2024 07:32pm)
So we're DEEP in the uncharted waters here and there's no precedent, hell we already had a debate with someone who isn't even a presidential candidate anymore
so if we get our feet back on the ground and try to assess: what is actually going to happen? What little can we predict?

Democrats are trying to circle around Kamala but lmao. The one democrat with worse polling than Biden. We're going into a convention that wasn't even supposed to be held ('virtual roll call' and then a theater) and all the delegates are currently unbound, with no candidates even having time to throw their hat in the ring. Democrats have to be asked one by one whether they're willing to step up or endorse Kamala, and nobody is challenging her yet, though clearly someone must at which point there are no more rules. There are folks like Williamson and Manchin who aren't serious contenders but are asking to throw their hat in, but heavyweights still need to be asked. Those who swore they wouldn't challenge Joe Biden, well their oaths mean nothing now.

the most obvious calculation for any democrat now is that all they're accomplishing by running for president at this point is feeding themselves into a woodchipper. You could run, but what do you accomplish? Laying the groundwork for a 2028 candidacy against vice president Vance's campaign? Someone like Amy Klobuchar who was lukewarm at best to begin with, has no reason to be ambitious now when the odds of winning are so pathetic, so she quickly turns to Kamala. But lord knows horizontal harris is no winning ticket so at this point I just think we have no idea wtf is going to happen in coming weeks


I wouldn't call this uncharted, there is a destination and we are headed towards it.

And to come to the same conclusion under a different set of data.
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xD to be fair I think the money will go to them either way it would be a bit unhinged to let Russia take Ukraine
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Jul 21 2024 08:14pm
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xD to be fair I think the money will go to them either way it would be a bit unhinged to let Russia take Ukraine


Joe Biden 'let' Russia invade Ukraine, after that point nobody 'let' Russia take anything, they took it. The money isn't changing the outcome, Russia will hold the DPR, LPR & Crimea when a peace treaty comes, either Biden finally having a change of heart as a lame duck or Kamala taking the reins early as he abdicates/croaks/25th, or Trump takes over and gets the acclaim
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Jul 21 2024 08:24pm
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Joe Biden 'let' Russia invade Ukraine, after that point nobody 'let' Russia take anything, they took it. The money isn't changing the outcome, Russia will hold the DPR, LPR & Crimea when a peace treaty comes, either Biden finally having a change of heart as a lame duck or Kamala taking the reins early as he abdicates/croaks/25th, or Trump takes over and gets the acclaim


Biden didn't let Pootin invade, he goon baited it by coming out of nowhere and telling everyone since early December 2021 they were fast tracking Ukraine into NATO.
That's why Russia Cobbled Together an Invasion, otherwise they were indifferent to the plight of Ethnic Russian Ukrainian Citizens having their human rights violated.
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Jul 21 2024 08:27pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 21 2024 10:14pm)
Joe Biden 'let' Russia invade Ukraine, after that point nobody 'let' Russia take anything, they took it. The money isn't changing the outcome, Russia will hold the DPR, LPR & Crimea when a peace treaty comes, either Biden finally having a change of heart as a lame duck or Kamala taking the reins early as he abdicates/croaks/25th, or Trump takes over and gets the acclaim


I'm not talking about some moral obligation to protect the people of Ukraine here I'm talking it's the cheapest way the US is damaging the economy of Russia/China while they fall further behind economically.

The us also gets to keep their world police status ofc.

Even if the US did stop funding it the EU would likely step up as much as possible to keep them going as long as possible.

Money is not changing the outcome of the territory I just don't think leaders care they just see it as damaging Russia for free to no cost.
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Jul 21 2024 08:44pm
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I'm not talking about some moral obligation to protect the people of Ukraine here I'm talking it's the cheapest way the US is damaging the economy of Russia/China while they fall further behind economically.
The us also gets to keep their world police status ofc.
Even if the US did stop funding it the EU would likely step up as much as possible to keep them going as long as possible.
Money is not changing the outcome of the territory I just don't think leaders care they just see it as damaging Russia for free to no cost.


Russian and China aren't falling behind, they're both booming at our expense. We united not only our competitors but also the unaligned world, and now everyone from South Africa to Mexico to India to even the KSA is willing to play ball with a Russian/Chinese multipolar world. We demanded the world side with us and they refused, now people are trading oil for yuan. Russia's loss isn't our gain, and we didn't even succeed at breaking Russia. There hasn't been a more catastrophic failure of US foreign policy in our lifetimes, neither Iraq nor Afghanistan actually hurt our geopolitical position like this has

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Biden didn't let Pootin invade, he goon baited it by coming out of nowhere and telling everyone since early December 2021 they were fast tracking Ukraine into NATO.
That's why Russia Cobbled Together an Invasion, otherwise they were indifferent to the plight of Ethnic Russian Ukrainian Citizens having their human rights violated.


When Putin massed troops on the border Joe Biden had the opportunity to respond forcefully, he could have immediately defended Ukraine and threatened all out war if Russia invaded. He had that option, he dithered. He very publicly announced that if/when Russia invaded, America would not defend Ukraine. Spheres of influence only exist insofar as empires are willing to act to defend them. Biden was directly involved in the overthrow of the Ukrainian democracy and the puppet state that emerged, but he wasn't willing to throw the US military behind it to stake his claim. Fast tracking Ukraine into NATO and actually holding it could have risked nuclear war, but it was also the only way to actually hold it
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Russian and China aren't falling behind, they're both booming at our expense. We united not only our competitors but also the unaligned world, and now everyone from South Africa to Mexico to India to even the KSA is willing to play ball with a Russian/Chinese multipolar world. We demanded the world side with us and they refused, now people are trading oil for yuan. Russia's loss isn't our gain, and we didn't even succeed at breaking Russia. There hasn't been a more catastrophic failure of US foreign policy in our lifetimes, neither Iraq nor Afghanistan actually hurt our geopolitical position like this has


Yes Neoliberal politicians ruined this countries standing.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 21 2024 09:44pm)
When Putin massed troops on the border Joe Biden had the opportunity to respond forcefully, he could have immediately defended Ukraine and threatened all out war if Russia invaded. He had that option, he dithered. He very publicly announced that if/when Russia invaded, America would not defend Ukraine. Spheres of influence only exist insofar as empires are willing to act to defend them. Biden was directly involved in the overthrow of the Ukrainian democracy and the puppet state that emerged, but he wasn't willing to throw the US military behind it to stake his claim. Fast tracking Ukraine into NATO and actually holding it could have risked nuclear war, but it was also the only way to actually hold it


Nobody in congress would ever vote for that shit lol, they wanted a proxy war and they got a proxy war.
God be damned, any Ukrainian.
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Jul 21 2024 09:33pm
So another thing is this also comes at a time when Joe Biden basically does not exist publicly. He's in covid lockdown / recovery, but not just limiting public exposure or minor white house duties, rather fully withdrawn- his schedule for next week is completely blank. The letters announcing his withdrawal were posted by his social media team, and chief of staff Jeff Zients was the person who called cabinet officials to inform him. Actually at this point we can't even be 100% sure Joe Biden is alive. Its kind of notable that one of the biggest decisions in American politics was just made without Biden coming out and saying it in a verifiable, personal way. No canned video even.
Instead we got this:



Sleuths on twitter are going around noting that Joe Biden's signature is markedly different than all his previous executive orders on pretty much every letter but that's kind of silly overanalysis to me, if it was some kind of silent coup then they'd just use an autopen to copy it duh
I think back in more grounded territory (if that even exists in a day and age where presidents drop out or get clipped by bullets), what really sticks out is whatever is going on with Joe Biden right now, he's not able to come out and address the nation as he makes this major announcement, the biggest of his presidency
Supposedly Joe Biden will make a public address "later this week" as per his statement. But that's not specific

I'd say the most likely scenario is that Joe Biden is actually seriously ill with Covid right now, or at least enough for a man his age and frailty that he would appear visibly weak and feeble (moreso than normal) and doesn't want to be seen on camera until he's had a few days to gather enough strength just to make the statement that he's going to drop out. If he was actually calculating about when to announce this bombshell he would have done it a few days ago to drown out the headlines about Trump's assassination earlier. But its completely jarring that Joe Biden just ended his political career and didn't even say so, and this could be a weekend at bernies incident for all we know.
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