Quote (MasterHand @ Jul 21 2024 09:27pm)
I'm not talking about some moral obligation to protect the people of Ukraine here I'm talking it's the cheapest way the US is damaging the economy of Russia/China while they fall further behind economically.
The us also gets to keep their world police status ofc.
Even if the US did stop funding it the EU would likely step up as much as possible to keep them going as long as possible.
Money is not changing the outcome of the territory I just don't think leaders care they just see it as damaging Russia for free to no cost.
Russian and China aren't falling behind, they're both booming at our expense. We united not only our competitors but also the unaligned world, and now everyone from South Africa to Mexico to India to even the KSA is willing to play ball with a Russian/Chinese multipolar world. We demanded the world side with us and they refused, now people are trading oil for yuan. Russia's loss isn't our gain, and we didn't even succeed at breaking Russia. There hasn't been a more catastrophic failure of US foreign policy in our lifetimes, neither Iraq nor Afghanistan actually hurt our geopolitical position like this has
Quote (PapaPsych @ Jul 21 2024 09:24pm)
Biden didn't let Pootin invade, he goon baited it by coming out of nowhere and telling everyone since early December 2021 they were fast tracking Ukraine into NATO.
That's why Russia Cobbled Together an Invasion, otherwise they were indifferent to the plight of Ethnic Russian Ukrainian Citizens having their human rights violated.
When Putin massed troops on the border Joe Biden had the opportunity to respond forcefully, he could have immediately defended Ukraine and threatened all out war if Russia invaded. He had that option, he dithered. He very publicly announced that if/when Russia invaded, America would not defend Ukraine. Spheres of influence only exist insofar as empires are willing to act to defend them. Biden was directly involved in the overthrow of the Ukrainian democracy and the puppet state that emerged, but he wasn't willing to throw the US military behind it to stake his claim. Fast tracking Ukraine into NATO and actually holding it could have risked nuclear war, but it was also the only way to actually
hold it