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Apr 12 2024 09:06pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Apr 12 2024 07:37pm)
there are still morons comparing the useless clot shots with actual vaccines, that work

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Inappropriate use of down bad but sure your argument is solid
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Claiming mRNA research hasn't been researched and well understood for years is just blatantly incorrect. It's been researched since the 60s.

Fundamental research, but mRNA vaccines hadn't been tested in practice in meaningful numbers until the covid vaccines. And just for the record: I believe that the technology is marvelous and the future of medicine. Still: there is no justification to force people to subject themselves to this new tech as long as doing so does not increase the health risk of others - which it didn't.


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Vaccines are the entire reason we got weaker strains of the virus, that's how viruses work. They adapt to spread more efficiently once we get vaccines and become immune to the more dangerous symptoms. That's why the flu still exists despite people getting vaccines seasonally, and also why the bubonic plague is still around to this day.

Complete and utter nonsense. We got progressively stronger strains of the virus, first the alpha variant, then the delta variant, before there were vaccines. This was an evolutionary reaction of the virus to the mitigation measures: it became more difficult for the virus to spread, so that only the stronger strains which create higher viral load and are more infectious survived.

The delta variant emerged in India before vaccines were deployed in that country, and the efficacy of the vaccines against that variant turned out to be significantly diminished. What delivered the world from covid as a public health crisis was the emergence of the omikron variant which had evolved in non-vaxxed subsaharan Africa. Omikron was much better adapted to the human host and caused severe disease at a rate magnitudes lower than previous variants, which enabled the world to finally let the virus rip without healthcare systems crumbling. Omikron most definitely evolved over months in an immunocompromised person which fell chronically ill with covid, allowing the virus to speedrun its natural evolution to adapt to the human host. So if anything, southern Africa being full of people with aids is what coincidentally solved the covid problem for the world.





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You're fine not subjecting yourself to them, but that also means others do not have to subject themselves to you during a worldwide crisis. Same reason you can't go to specific countries without their vaccine and shot requirements since you'll be needlessly spreading diseases.


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I support basic right except when it jeopardize the lives of others. And I am talking about fully mature individuals who got infected because of these assholes.

Again: the covid vaccines did not reduce the transmission of covid or significantly reduce the personal risk of infection. In the case of covid, being unvaxxed did not put those around you at greater risk.

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Apr 12 2024 09:41pm
Thread derailed by vaccine talk, imo.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 12 2024 08:41pm)
Thread derailed by vaccine talk, imo.


m RNA covid 'vacccine mandates biggest crime in world history. the biggest story nerfs thread topic

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https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84231748&f=119&o=12470
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m RNA covid 'vacccine mandates biggest crime in world history. the biggest story nerfs thread topic

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https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=84231748&f=119&o=12470


Let's just talk about trans people instead.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 12 2024 09:26pm)
Let's just talk about trans people instead.


seems mRNA truth isnt cancelled anymore. just might mean truth gets out in a big way. imagine half of the western world finding out how scammed they were? all that trust they had ??? only to find out how lied to they were. what would happen in such a world?

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 12 2024 08:18pm)
Fundamental research, but mRNA vaccines hadn't been tested in practice in meaningful numbers until the covid vaccines. And just for the record: I believe that the technology is marvelous and the future of medicine. Still: there is no justification to force people to subject themselves to this new tech as long as doing so does not increase the health risk of others - which it didn't.


mRNA's were in testing since the 90s, and we had an unprecedented amount of funding and cooperation that other vaccines haven't had to assist in getting it out faster. We also had it sent to specific groups for more testing before it was rolled out into the general public. No one was ever forced to take the vaccine like I said in previous posts, it was simply a risk and monetary sink employers didn't want to take if you weren't a remote worker.



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Complete and utter nonsense. We got progressively stronger strains of the virus, first the alpha variant, then the delta variant, before there were vaccines. This was an evolutionary reaction of the virus to the mitigation measures: it became more difficult for the virus to spread, so that only the stronger strains which create higher viral load and are more infectious survived.

The delta variant emerged in India before vaccines were deployed in that country, and the efficacy of the vaccines against that variant turned out to be significantly diminished. What delivered the world from covid as a public health crisis was the emergence of the omikron variant which had evolved in non-vaxxed subsaharan Africa. Omikron was much better adapted to the human host and caused severe disease at a rate magnitudes lower than previous variants, which enabled the world to finally let the virus rip without healthcare systems crumbling. Omikron most definitely evolved over months in an immunocompromised person which fell chronically ill with covid, allowing the virus to speedrun its natural evolution to adapt to the human host. So if anything, southern Africa being full of people with aids is what coincidentally solved the covid problem for the world.


Yes, I meant strains got progressively less lethal but more easily spread as vaccines were introduced and it mutates to compensate. We got stronger variants before vaccines were developed due to people being stir crazy from being indoors for a couple months, and Delta was introduced in late 2020 which coincided with the holiday season where people were way more lax with gatherings. The annoying part(atleast imo) is that the average persons attention span and media literacy is so short they forget the context and history that got us to the current day where we don't have to run around wearing a mask, and go "see covid was way overblown! It didn't end the world!"

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Thread derailed by vaccine talk, imo.


True, although this post has basically served it's purpose as it won't be enforced and republicans including Trump are already trying to walk this back and are saying it's excessive. I'll let y'all get to it again :)

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Quote (MrSK @ 13 Apr 2024 07:43)
Yes, I meant strains got progressively less lethal but more easily spread as vaccines were introduced and it mutates to compensate. We got stronger variants before vaccines were developed due to people being stir crazy from being indoors for a couple months, and Delta was introduced in late 2020 which coincided with the holiday season where people were way more lax with gatherings. The annoying part(atleast imo) is that the average persons attention span and media literacy is so short they forget the context and history that got us to the current day where we don't have to run around wearing a mask, and go "see covid was way overblown! It didn't end the world!"

Nope, that was the Alpha variant which first took off in the UK. Delta first emerged in India and didn't take off until April 2021.


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Thread derailed by vaccine talk, imo.

Yeah, sorry about that, I'm done now. At the end of the day, one imho doesn't even have to rely on the bodily autonomy argument to side with abortion rights. This world is overpopulated and full of neglected children as is; I, for my part, believe that we as a society are better off with less unwanted children. When it comes to the natalist argument, I'm for quality over quantity.

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Again: the covid vaccines did not reduce the transmission of covid or significantly reduce the personal risk of infection. In the case of covid, being unvaxxed did not put those around you at greater risk.


Congratulations, you just claimed that vaccines are useless.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 13 2024 02:29am)
Congratulations, you just claimed that vaccines are useless.


how come you cannot comprehend the difference between the mRNA jab and 'vaccines ???
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