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Feb 12 2024 10:01pm
Quote (ChocolateCoveredGummyBears @ Feb 12 2024 07:57pm)
probably not an end-all diagnosis, but it can be a factor for sure. we don't have spidey senses for no reason


There are people here who want it to be a "mental illness", and who will take issue with the field's anticipated transition out of Gender Dysphoria in the DSM and into medical diagnostic manuals more focused on human development. They won't take issue due to scientific reasons though. It'll just be their feelings, but unfortunately "facts don't care about your feelings" as they often like to quote.

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This is a lovely story. Thank you for the anecdotes.



If by "mental illness" you just mean that it's something that you personally dislike, find weird, or think is crazy, then by all means continue to do so. Clearly nothing will stop you.


Let me know if your opinion changes on trans people when your pregnant sister gets drop kicked right where my unborn niece was trying to HELP a mentally ill trans person.

Let me know if your opinion changes on trans people when a person yells "faggot" 10 times and a trans person says "I'm going to kill all of you" and runs out the door.

Sorry bud it's a mental illness.
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Feb 12 2024 10:06pm
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This seems like a mischaracterization of the argument being made by those of a differing position than you. The right has a bias in which a small % of the transgender community that engages in egregious behavior is reflective of the community at-large but when other communities, namely religious communities, engage in the very same behavior (and to a significantly higher degree) then it is hand-waved as outliers and exceptions.


But that's the point: is it actually really just a small percentage of the transgender community that engages in outlandish or alarming behavior?
And keep in mind that due to the tiny population share of transgender people, it doesn't take all that many cases of transgender shooters or pedos to lift the "shooter/pedo rate among transgender persons" above the overall population average, or to a level so elevated that it triggers all sorts of red flags.

A demographic group making up 15% of the population being responsible for 20% of crimes is not as noteworthy as a 0.1% group being responsible for 1% of cases of the same crime. Even more so at a time when functional elites who hold institutional power have largely succumbed to an ideology which seeks to turn this 0.1% demo into a 10% one.
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Feb 12 2024 10:07pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Feb 12 2024 10:50pm)
"People can tell when something is off" is not how we determine whether something is a "mental illness". I am genuinely confused why y'all want to die on this hill so badly.


Before formalized systems and protocols to determine if someone is mentally ill and under what specific/broad categorization, mentally ill people existed. I worked for a few years with people with autism, some had other types issues like psychosis/schizophrenia. A laymen person doesn’t have to be a licensed psychiatrist to see observable behaviors that are a deviation from the norm and say okay that person is mentally ill. Six year olds have enough learned behavior and are smart enough to decipher deviations. A laymen may not be able to differentiate between a low functioning autistic person or someone with Down or whatever but generally speaking they know enough to differentiate from the rest of the population and apply the broad umbrella of mental illness.

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Let me know if your opinion changes on trans people when your pregnant sister gets drop kicked right where my unborn niece was trying to HELP a mentally ill trans person.

Let me know if your opinion changes on trans people when a person yells "faggot" 10 times and a trans person says "I'm going to kill all of you" and runs out the door.

Sorry bud it's a mental illness.


Sorry to hear that your family went through so many struggles. Take care out there.
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Feb 12 2024 10:09pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Feb 12 2024 10:56pm)
This is a lovely story. Thank you for the anecdotes.



If by "mental illness" you just mean that it's something that you personally dislike, find weird, or think is crazy, then by all means continue to do so. Clearly nothing will stop you.


Most people think of mental illnesses / disorders in a pretty straightforward way. Does it significantly impair your ability to live a functional life? Is it causing significant damage to your physical and mental health?
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Feb 12 2024 10:13pm
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Before formalized systems and protocols to determine if someone is mentally and under what specific/broad categorization, mentally ill people existed. I worked for a few years with people with autism, some had other types issues like psychosis/schizophrenia. A laymen person doesn’t have to be a licensed psychiatrist to see observable behaviors that are a deviation from the norm and say okay that person is mentally ill. Six year olds have enough learned behavior and are smart enough to decipher deviations. A laymen may not be able to differentiate between a low functioning autistic person or someone with Down or whatever but generally speaking they know enough to differentiate from the rest of the population and apply the broad umbrella of mental illness.


Bolded: Yes, yes you do and if any of you were in any position to actually have to diagnose people (as I am), then you'd know this. Y'all mistake deviance as "mental illness" and step twice with the same foot.

Additionally, y'all are likely going to think that it is a "woke agenda" that is moving Gender Dysphoria eventually out of the DSM, but not for any scientific reasons will you object to this. It's just all your personal opinion.
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Feb 12 2024 10:14pm
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Most people think of mental illnesses / disorders in a pretty straightforward way. Does it significantly impair your ability to live a functional life? Is it causing significant damage to your physical and mental health?


We don't let "most people" create diagnostic criteria or diagnose, and for good reason.
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Feb 12 2024 10:15pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ 12 Feb 2024 22:07)
Sorry to hear that your family went through so many struggles. Take care out there.


Yea bud so stop pretending like the trans issue can be solved through better mental health services!

My sister literally runs a program designed to help those same people and the LGBTQ+ promotion has made her job harder and more dangerous.

Enabling people to think they are "better then everyone else" and in some cases full on "superiority complexes" is a step in the wrong direction.

My sister is verbally abused by trans people everyday and it's gone as far as physical abuse but yea there's nothing to see here....

Shame on you.
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Feb 12 2024 10:16pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Feb 12 2024 08:01pm)
There are people here who want it to be a "mental illness", and who will take issue with the field's anticipated transition out of Gender Dysphoria in the DSM and into medical diagnostic manuals more focused on human development. They won't take issue due to scientific reasons though. It'll just be their feelings, but unfortunately "facts don't care about your feelings" as they often like to quote.


it's hard to judge tbh. personally, i think these batshit insane parents should stop forcing their kids to play with barbie dolls and instead get them doing baal runs, we'd have less gender identity issues

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