Quote (ChatGPT @ Dec 20 2023 11:38am)

Those engines are not production ready, but now its GE yes.
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Lockheed Martin uses the RD-180 engine for its Atlas V launch vehicle because of its proven performance, lower cost, and track record of success. The RD-180 is manufactured in Khimki, near Moscow, and delivered to the US by RD AMROSS, a joint venture of Pratt & Whitney and NPO Energomash.
In 2022, Elon Musk said that Boeing and Lockheed have relied on the Russian RD-180 engine. Musk also said that Lockheed Martin is hoping to move away from that in the future with engines from Blue Origin.


specifically the RD-180
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-180

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
On February 24, 2022, Russia began a large-scale military invasion of Ukraine. Six days later on March 2, 2022, as Russia continued the invasion, they announced an end of all sales and support of the RD-180 engines to the United States, in retaliation for sanctions placed on Russia by the US for the Ukraine attack.[29]

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 20 2023 11:16am)

Proving Trump's direct responsibility for the storming of the Capitol isn't an open-and-shut case.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 20 2023 12:18pm)

Damn if only we had him literally on video telling them to go to the capital, and knew he was calling senators during that time to pressure them to object, and knew he pressured his VP to not certify, and knew he had full knowledge the election wasn't stolen, and....

Wait it seems like we do fucking know he tried to do an insurrection and you're just being a piece of shit by pretending we don't.

Fuck dude, just use your brain for once instead of choking on Trump's hog.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 20 Dec 2023 18:18)

Damn if only we had him literally on video telling them to go to the capital, and knew he was calling senators during that time to pressure them to object, and knew he pressured his VP to not certify, and knew he had full knowledge the election wasn't stolen, and....

Wait it seems like we do fucking know he tried to do an insurrection and you're just being a piece of shit by pretending we don't.

Fuck dude, just use your brain for once instead of choking on Trump's hog.

The amendment in question has NEVER required a conviction, and in fact this is an open and shut case.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 20 2023 11:35am)

He told them to go to the Capitol, but he didn't tell them to storm it or use violence.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 20 2023 12:35pm)

He told them to go to the Capitol, but he didn't tell them to storm it or use violence. Trump has often times rallied his supporters to the streets for demonstrations; you will have a hard time proving that he explicitly meant violent insurrection in this particular instance, rather than ordinary protest. Morally speaking, Trump is guilty as fuck. I'll happily admit that. But legally, his culpability for the actions of his supporters is not as clear.

Also, this interpretation by the anti-Trump side stings particularly against the backdrop of the Summer of Love in 2020 when plenty of Democratic politicians explicitly condoned the use of violence by demonstrators from their own side during the BLM protests, the attacks on the Portland courthouse and so on. If public calls to one's supporters to use violent protests and a breakdown of public order to further one's political goals constitutes an insurrection, then Pelosi, Waters et al. are guilty of it too.

My other points of course still stand: there is legal debate about whether section 3 of the 14th amendment actually applies to the presidency to begin with; and it is politically unfeasible to bar a candidate supported by nearly half the country from running without inflicting huge damage to the democratic process (if not even outright triggering a civil war).

Quote (Thor123422 @ 20 Dec 2023 18:36)

I don't need to go further. We know he knew they were armed.

You are just desparate to choke on Trump's hog. This is not a close call.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 20 2023 05:42pm)

Demonstrations by Republicans will always contain a fair share of armed people. By this standard, any Republican would be guilty of insurrection whenever any rally of his supporters gets out of hand.

And I'll ask again: are Pelosi and Waters guilt of insurrection too, since they condoned and encouraged the violent protests surrounding BLM in 2020? They knew many of the BLM protesters were armed, willing to carry out violence and dismantle public order when they told them to "not let up" and continue their protests. If not, what's the difference between Pelosi/Waters/BLM and Trump/Jan6?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Dec 20 2023 08:48am)

Were the BLM riots at capital hill? If not, probably that for starters.