Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 6 2023 06:44pm)
Sorry I forgot to correct, he mentions about how he confirmed this in the video you sent. If I'm not mistaken this is only the case for the Friedman podcast ATM? I know he did Joe Rogan as well but I don't think that one is documented the same way, not trying to nit pick but I think this is particularly important because a lot of our conversation is based around these stats.
it is documented and posted in the description of the relevant video but not as meticulous, the same documentation exists for every related video on the subject on the channel.
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 6 2023 06:44pm)
We don't need to unless you think it is important I just wanted to highlight another example of a specific field being dominated by a particular race (numbers probably lower if we take into account all professional sports ofc) i think there may be other cases as well but I would have to double check. I think the main issue would be that political content has more impact than sports or many other things right? I don't disagree with that idea so we probably don't need to delve too deep into this particular topic.
It could be worth discussing but I agree it's less important than political influence via media representation
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 6 2023 06:44pm)
I just think it matters for the reasons I mentioned about religion and divine law etc. If all Jewish people were devoutly religious this would hold more merit for me. It sounds like our main disagreement is about the stats on representation. We could focus more on this if we come to an agreement on those, if that sounds fair?
The motivations and purpose definitely matters, but it's beyond the scope of what the relevant data can prove in this case. This would go into a very speculative opinion and would need much further data and discussion. I think you shouldn't think lack of outward strong piety necessarily means not having in-group ethnic preference and nepotism. You don't have to be orthodox to act in ways that prefer your own ethnicity. You can even argue it's easier to be subversive if you don't openly express religiosity.
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 6 2023 06:44pm)
I don't disagree with your thinking on this, but for it to be true we have to agree on the stats which we don't. As I said I'm not trying to nitpick but if you are going to say 70% of all political media is represented by ethnic jews I think it needs a higher bar of evidence than one guy studying two podcasts, even if those podcasts are extremely popular and influential. I don't think that is unfair, I realize it is a controversial topic so not many people would be willing to do that type of research but for me personally it doesn't convince me 70% of all political media is like this.
If you are truly interested the information is out there to collect and determine, we've all seen the pictures of what ethnicity are in charge of what media companies -- but this one is for 'alternative media' which is generally seen different than CNN/MSNBC/FOX etc so it's particularly interesting. I don't have the data on hand of every single media in the united states, but I'd bet if you measured it there would be a trend of extreme over representation in more than the most popular podcasts.
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 6 2023 06:44pm)
I would say of the two podcasts that JRE is probably more popular and widely watched (i didn't check this just guessing) so it is probably a better example to study, unfortunately I don't think he documented this one the same way so it makes it a bit hard to view the stats as irrefutable.
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 6 2023 06:44pm)
But even if this guy has done a perfect job, I don't think we can just assume all media is the same based on his work alone. I realize this may be a subjective thing in some ways, but that is how it works in my brain, I may be stupid though :P
If you are uncertain but also interested, it would be a great service for you to tally up this information for different media resources and come to your own conclusions.
This post was edited by majorblood on Oct 6 2023 09:03pm