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Apr 28 2023 10:12pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 28 2023 11:10pm)
Social ostracization certainly ends lives. Have you measured out the disparate impact? I haven't seen that calculation.

It certainly effects me if you're going to hold my personal opinion against me and deprive me of a job. In fact, being able to have a job is pretty central to my ability to live. And for those in that situation, isn't it entirely reasonable for them to begin to act in the same way towards you? Let's try to find an offroad before we speed off the cliff.


"Today I learned that free speech sometimes has consequences! Especially if I choose to act like an asshole in public!"
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Social ostracization certainly ends lives. Have you measured out the disparate impact? I haven't seen that calculation.

It certainly effects me if you're going to hold my personal opinion against me and deprive me of a job. In fact, being able to have a job is pretty central to my ability to live. And for those in that situation, isn't it entirely reasonable for them to begin to act in the same way towards you? Let's try to find an offroad before we speed off the cliff.


If you behave like an asshole, people are allowed to think you're an asshole. This is America, you can't compell people to like you or even interact with you.
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Apr 28 2023 10:15pm
Quote (Sioux @ Apr 28 2023 11:59pm)
People thinking you're a dickhead is equivalent to the reign of terror.

Lmao.


The fact that we've moved from “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” to "If you say something I find remotely offensive, I will send a twitter mob to your house and threaten your job" means it's a pretty surreal time to be alive.
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Apr 28 2023 10:16pm
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The fact that we've moved from “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” to "If you say something I find remotely offensive, I will send a twitter mob to your house and threaten your job" means it's a pretty surreal time to be alive.


I mean you're entitled to your opinion and free speech, you can't force anyone to like you. You're dramatic bordering on hysterical about this though.
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Apr 28 2023 10:17pm
Quote (beanbag @ Apr 29 2023 12:12am)
"Today I learned that free speech sometimes has consequences! Especially if I choose to act like an asshole in public!"


If you drive someone into destitution, and they commit suicide as a result, does that responsibility lie on you, or on the person who killed themselves?

In the same vein, if someone disagrees with your life philosophy, and you kill yourself over it, does that responsibility lie on you or the individual?

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Apr 28 2023 10:19pm
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If you drive someone into destitution, and they commit suicide as a result, does that responsibility lie on you, or on the person who killed themselves?

In the same vein, if someone disagrees with your life philosophy, and you kill yourself over it, does that responsibility lie on you or the individual?


I dunno. Maybe in a few months when Steven Crowder offs himself for totally wrecking his career by PUBLICLY BEING AN ASSHOLE TO HIS PREGNANT WIFE and getting called out on it all over social media, we can ask if the chicken or the egg came first.
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Apr 28 2023 10:21pm
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I mean you're entitled to your opinion and free speech, you can't force anyone to like you. You're dramatic bordering on hysterical about this though.


I don't think so at all. We're not talking about the rude guy in town who everyone ignores, we're talking about targeting people specifically for disagreeing with a vocal minority and using state power to deprive them of an occupation. For the crowd that believes words are violence, I can assure you, that's violence.

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I dunno. Maybe in a few months when Steven Crowder offs himself for totally wrecking his career by PUBLICLY BEING AN ASSHOLE TO HIS PREGNANT WIFE and getting called out on it all over social media, we can ask if the chicken or the egg came first.


I can answer that question for you. I maintain that Steven Crowder is responsible for his own actions, and bears the chief responsibility for any suicide.

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Apr 28 2023 10:25pm
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I don't think so at all. We're not talking about the rude guy in town who everyone ignores, we're talking about targeting people specifically for disagreeing with a vocal minority and using state power to deprive them of an occupation. For the crowd that believes words are violence, I can assure you, that's violence.



I can answer that question for you. I maintain that Steven Crowder is responsible for his own actions, and bears the chief responsibility for any suicide.


So if someone is a correctional officer and they use their Facebook account to air blatant racism and transphobia and they lose their job, you're not okay with it?
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Apr 28 2023 10:27pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Apr 28 2023 09:21pm)
I don't think so at all. We're not talking about the rude guy in town who everyone ignores, we're talking about targeting people specifically for disagreeing with a vocal minority and using state power to deprive them of an occupation. For the crowd that believes words are violence, I can assure you, that's violence.


Literally conservative persecution fetish in a nutshell. Which political party is passing bills across the country related to trans people? Who's wielding statepower currently as a cudgel?
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Apr 28 2023 10:28pm
Quote (beanbag @ Apr 29 2023 12:25am)
So if someone is a correctional officer and they use their Facebook account to air blatant racism and transphobia and they lose their job, you're not okay with it?


You can extend this logic to justify any restriction on speech. So what I would say is that we should exercise that power exceedingly sparingly, or end up with the sort of world that we deserve.

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Literally conservative persecution fetish in a nutshell. Which political party is passing bills across the country related to trans people? Who's wielding statepower currently as a cudgel?


Noted socialist and universally (conservatively) hated J.K. Rowling is now a fascist-adjacent agent. This is the woman who maintains that Hermione is black and Dumbledore is gay. What Harry was doing with Dumbledore so late in his office is a discussion for another time. It's very fair to say that the American left has lost its mind.

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