lets talk about liberalism...

people see porn as freedom of expression in the west..

go to saudi arabia, or any country where god is still alive, and postmodernism hasn't decayed the society and see if you can debate the same thing.


i believe also in abu dhabi, it is illegal to drink alcohol, but, if you are a tourist you are able to, which is hilarious to me.

people in the west glorify freedom, but misunderstand the dialectic where the case is sometimes less freedom results in more freedom.

sure you have the freedom to destroy your liver with alcohol in the west, which in turn creates a culture where alcoholism is essentially normalized, but then it creates another tyranny, the tyranny of the majority (which Mill who was basically the father of liberalism discussed, go on SEP for more reading on the topic).

i think for the most part, it is contextual though... i don't think authoritarianism can ever work in America specifically, the people are too retarded/brainwashed.


to summarize.. basically in the west you have the freedom to make a complete ass of yourself, and sure you can say that is liberating and a beautiful thing, use the Churchill quote all you want I don't care... But, I will cite Mill (despite thinking he's a virgin), and say that it just creates more social tyranny, and cite my own eyes and ears, and say that it creates a decaying culture over long term.

Another example you can look at is western tik tok, vs eastern tik tok (douyin, btw they use authoritarianism to make it so children can only use this toxic app 40 mins a day, whereas in america we have the AMAZING freedom to have our kids/ourselves rot their brains to a technology that is literally optimized to make you waste your time/give you cheap dopamine hits).


what would be progress is maybe getting rid of the two party system in america, its very clear that it is only democraticif you are a multi millionaire, then having one party, but still having the judicial branches/legislative, could be a good start, but, I don't really know I am not a policy expert.

also, china is less authoritarian then you would think, there is a lot of propaganda from the west about China's system, I recommend only talking to people who are Chinese and asking them about it, there is some who are westernized VPN twitterhead porn addicts, who will shit on China every chance they get, but, there the majority of the Chinese population supports and views their government favorably.

Anyways, to summarize one more time though. Despite having my own personal favorable beliefs regarding autocracy, I think this kind of system would fail in America, and likely the west as a whole. I believe moreso in Hegelian idea that a state is an organism, and history is what informs its culture/values, and liberalism has been the primary cycle of this organism for as long as I am aware of, but, there is also the Marxist believe that the cycle of capitalism will end (but then there is the counter that 2008 crisis should've been the end, and it still was resilient, so it makes me a bit pessimistic, but either way I'm a bit indifferent, I love both capitalism and communism.)

This post was edited by pablobear8 on Jan 23 2023 11:28am

Problem with freeworld is that you will always find mentally ill people who benefit from freedom of speech and who will argue for countries where it does not exists.



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jan 23 2023 12:01pm

I worded that poorly, I should have said that in certain parts of the world there is more incentive to engage in that style of governance.

A middle eastern country for example has a lot more reason to be authoritarian than say, Canada, simply due to the increased number of threats they could face. They live in an environment where their security could be seriously jeopardized very quickly and the government having the power to react and direct resources as need when needed can help manage those threats.

Even in the most liberal western democracies we have mechanisms to centralize power in times of emergency, so I think that reasoning is more relatable from a western perspective.

Then you get into cultural reasons for it which are way more complicated IMO, you have to look at the geographic, political, religious, and economic history of the area to understand how it ended up with its style of government.

both the nazis and communists were authoritarians, pretty obvious, but a lesser known fact is that both seized power by making a political alliance with socialists, and both killed off the socialists right after gaining power. then both feigned being socialist themselves (neither were) in order to keep the power of socialist citizens. in the case of the nazis they formed an alliance with both the socialists and communists, then killed both.

Facts.

Advantages: things happen. Inefficiencies: things happen but theres no guarantee its done with the counsel of experts or in a way that doesnt end up severly harming fringe populations.

Misconceptions? Maybe that people cant live happily or stay content in an authoritarian state. If you belong to the group that has the most agency in an authoritarian, life could even be pretty good. For you, but there will be many who wont have that.

I suppose its cynical. Very self-centered, i dont frankly believe its generally enjoyable unless you love being choked.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Jan 23 2023 04:36pm

The middle east in particular has a very interesting branch of authoritarianism. The likes of the absolute monarchies.