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Jan 14 2023 09:24pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 14 2023 04:04pm)
you Baháʼí?



I don't think it's fair to say the singularity/big bang is the beginning of the universe if that's what you are referring to.


if the universe is expanding its reasonable to believe that it all started from a point, a beginning. thats all i said.

Quote (Jupe @ Jan 14 2023 05:46pm)
I think my favorite part of the master piece is childhood cancer, or maybe those parasites that eat your eyeballs


understand scripture says we and the world is in a fallen condition. all you did was offer an argument that verifies scripture.

Quote (Crunkt @ Jan 14 2023 06:02pm)
god isnt a credible explanation though


what?

Do you know that God and Allah are the same god? Do you know that?

So saying God exists is also saying that the Quran is correct


is there any physical space with nothing in it?

Quote (Crunkt @ Jan 14 2023 06:02pm)
god isnt a credible explanation though


what?

Do you know that God and Allah are the same god? Do you know that?

So saying God exists is also saying that the Quran is correct


first part is "assertion fallacy"

second part you answer your self later

Quote (majorblood @ Jan 14 2023 06:28pm)
is god in this case defined as whatever created existence?


God capital "G" is the creator God. small case "g" god can have various meanings.



Quote (Crunkt @ Jan 14 2023 06:33pm)
they both claim the existence of god and Allah, so by that logic not sure what you are arguing troll, back to the drawing board


yes..........a claim that they are both the same.
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Jan 14 2023 10:13pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 15 2023 07:04am)
you Baháʼí?


Yes, I believe in the harmony between science and religion. Religion is the chief instrument for the establishment of order in the world and of tranquility amongst its people. The greater the decline of religion, the more grievous the waywardness of the ungodly.
Quote (Jupe @ Jan 15 2023 08:46am)
I think my favorite part of the master piece is childhood cancer, or maybe those parasites that eat your eyeballs


We must accept the fact that there are some things in this life we are not going to be able to understand here and now. They are mysteries either too profound, or denied us to comprehend in this world. One of them is just where the balance falls between free will and destiny. Another is why the innocent are permitted to suffer for the guilty. Another is the exact nature of the life after death; where, in what state, with what sensations, the personality of the man we have just laid away in the grave is, we do not know. Why millions of children should be terrorized and behold scenes of horror grown men can scarcely endure, through wars they have not the slightest responsibility for, we do not know. How much of our lives we ourselves could better, how many battles we lost which we could have gained because we had the power but did not exert it fully, did not choose rightly, we do not know. There are even unknown unknowns, that which we cannot even comprehend that we do not know.
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Quote (MildSambal @ 14 Jan 2023 23:13)
Yes, I believe in the harmony between science and religion. Religion is the chief instrument for the establishment of order in the world and of tranquility amongst its people. The greater the decline of religion, the more grievous the waywardness of the ungodly.


We must accept the fact that there are some things in this life we are not going to be able to understand here and now. They are mysteries either too profound, or denied us to comprehend in this world. One of them is just where the balance falls between free will and destiny. Another is why the innocent are permitted to suffer for the guilty. Another is the exact nature of the life after death; where, in what state, with what sensations, the personality of the man we have just laid away in the grave is, we do not know. Why millions of children should be terrorized and behold scenes of horror grown men can scarcely endure, through wars they have not the slightest responsibility for, we do not know. How much of our lives we ourselves could better, how many battles we lost which we could have gained because we had the power but did not exert it fully, did not choose rightly, we do not know. There are even unknown unknowns, that which we cannot even comprehend that we do not know.


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Quote (bogie160 @ 15 Jan 2023 02:49)
I agree that there is presently no credible explanation for our existence except God, and therefore that people who dismiss the existence of God are lower level thinkers who can be safely ignored.


which god or which gods are the real ones though? or is the universe and human life a group project maybe, and all of them are responsible? there have been so many gods and iterations of god throughout human history, and none of them have ever revealed themselves in an unmistakable manner to mankind as a whole, so anyone committing to believing in just one would in all likelihood be wrong, wouldn't you agree?
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Quote (fender @ Jan 16 2023 07:46am)
which god or which gods are the real ones though? or is the universe and human life a group project maybe, and all of them are responsible? there have been so many gods and iterations of god throughout human history, and none of them have ever revealed themselves in an unmistakable manner to mankind as a whole, so anyone committing to believing in just one would in all likelihood be wrong, wouldn't you agree?



The relationship between humanity and God is similar to that of the Earth and the sun. All life on Earth is in need of the sun, but it has to be far enough away (93,000,000 miles) to not destroy the Earth and its inhabitants. The medium that connects Earth and the sun are the suns rays. Gods nature is so intense that we could never come close to fully comprehending God. As in the rays of the sun bringing to Earth what it needs to survive, the messengers of God bring what is needed to mankind. We can test the authenticity of divinity in many ways. Do we see any nations today identifying themselves as Newtons, Einsteins? How about as Platoists, Socratites? Nope, we do see nations peoples identified by Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Hindu, Buddhist, etc
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Jan 16 2023 02:14pm
Attempting to rationalize belief is pointless.
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Jan 16 2023 02:36pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 14 2023 05:49pm)
I agree that there is presently no credible explanation for our existence except God, and therefore that people who dismiss the existence of God are lower level thinkers who can be safely ignored.


World of difference between the possibility of "a creator" and the specific deity of one's choice.
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Jan 16 2023 02:57pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 16 2023 12:36pm)
World of difference between the possibility of "a creator" and the specific deity of one's choice.


nothing else in the world likeit not even close



The bible is a collection of 66 books written over a period of approximately 1400-1500 years in 3 different languages across 3 continents by over 40 different authors from every walk of life (from a kings throne to prison cell). Most of whom never knew each other and many of which died a horrible death rather than deny their faith. With no historical errors or contradictions, coming together in one single unified harmonious message.

The creation, fall and redemption
Gods universal love for all humanity
A common message of salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all their heart, soul, strength and mind.
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Jan 16 2023 03:09pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jan 16 2023 12:57pm)
nothing else in the world likeit not even close



The bible is a collection of 66 books written over a period of approximately 1400-1500 years in 3 different languages across 3 continents by over 40 different authors from every walk of life (from a kings throne to prison cell). Most of whom never knew each other and many of which died a horrible death rather than deny their faith. With no historical errors or contradictions, coming together in one single unified harmonious message.

The creation, fall and redemption
Gods universal love for all humanity
A common message of salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all their heart, soul, strength and mind.


The series was originally published in English by Bloomsbury in the United Kingdom and Scholastic Press in the United States. All versions around the world are printed by Grafica Veneta in Italy. A series of many genres, including fantasy, drama, coming-of-age fiction, and the British school story (which includes elements of mystery, thriller, adventure, horror, and romance).
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 16 2023 01:09pm)
The series was originally published in English by Bloomsbury in the United Kingdom and Scholastic Press in the United States. All versions around the world are printed by Grafica Veneta in Italy. A series of many genres, including fantasy, drama, coming-of-age fiction, and the British school story (which includes elements of mystery, thriller, adventure, horror, and romance).


The first Bible in English, 1535
The first complete Bible in English was published abroad, most likely in Antwerp, in 1535. Myles Coverdale (1488-1569), an Augustinian friar from Yorkshire educated at Cambridge, 'faithfully and truly translated [it] out of Douche [German] and Latin into English'.
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