It's wrong to ask it this way; you better ask yourself:

How Tibet has made China its enemy ?
How Uyghurs has made China its enemy ?

etc... Capiche ?

This topic is a follow on from here: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=98605369&f=119

The Tibet and Uyghurs position no one can argue, unless you are diehard pro Chinese (which, to be clear, i am not), well, ok you can argue it but you wont win the arguement. China's very poor actions against both of those cultures is widely documented, just as the US's poor actions against US Native tribes is widely documented. There are other places in the world, where similar things happen or have happened, and the US does not do anything about it.

China's actions against Tibet is decades along the way, and vs Uyghurs is after the US first shifted against China. Therefore your answer to my mind should not be the reason why the US policy for China is the way it is noting 1 event preceded US foreign policy by decades and the other occured after the policy shift.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 14 2022 11:44am

China is currently, "acting" on those claims.
The main issue is that approx. 4 trillion dollars of trade pass through the South China Sea annually.
That's approx. 40% of World trade.

The smaller countries bordering the South China Sea, owe their livelihood to a portion of that trade.
International Maritime Law allows a country to claim ownership (control), of waters up to 12 nautical miles from their coast.

The South China Sea is approx. 600 x 1200 miles in size.

This post was edited by Ghot on Dec 14 2022 11:35am

And therefore the US does not want to give China a free reign in this region as it would enable China to exponentially grow (as they are currently). I am just teasing this out, happy for you to expand my comment or correct it. If the US did not intervene, what would you have expected to happen in the region, and how such a scenario have affected the US (or simply, how would it have affected the world).

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 14 2022 11:45am

If the US didn't intervene China would assume complete control of all trade through the South China Sea.

In other words, they could tax or even prevent the other smaller countries from using the South China Sea as a trade route.
This would effectively kill all trade in these smaller countries or allow only China to profit from the trade carried out by those countries.

This post was edited by Ghot on Dec 14 2022 11:50am

The region you are talking about in the South China Sea is claimed and shared by ASEAN nations.
An act of any invasion or conflict to own those areas where resources are abundant will be seen as naked aggression.

When that happens the entire ASEAN will gel together to repel an invading force. That was why ASEAN was created in the first place to repel the then Chinese communist interference and invasion to spread their political ideologue.
I think I send you a video 8 months back where Lee Kuan Yew my ex prime minister spoke to the American Media back in the late 1960s in regards to that issue of Chinese aggression ( I can search it and send it to you again).

It won't end well for the Chinese Military if they decides to do that. Not only the Entire ASEAN will gel together, the Chinese military will also have to face a possible ANZ force which have a security pact with Singapore.
If they do it before the reunification of Taiwan, they will face the Taiwanese as well and not to mention the Japanese.

The Americans will come in with all the military hardware as usual. So no, the Chinese will not take an aggressive stance in South China Sea despite all the build up of artificial islands the way the MSM portray them to be at least for the next 30 odd years..
Too much to handle.



No, you are overestimating Chinese military capabilities and under estimating their foreign policies . They are not close to the level of the United States yet, they do not have that kind of power to do that at least for the next 30 odd years.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Dec 14 2022 11:51am

I know the video. the topic is more of an imformative one. im not looking to recreate the wheel here, just a pooling of positions.

and yes i agree with you, china's military capabilities are not there yet but they have a plan to get there, within 30 years (its freely available to read on line XD )

Can you elaborate on what ASEAN is (i.e. key stakeholde countries), and what ANZ is. for the masses.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 14 2022 11:56am

Oh ok. Now that you've made that clear, we'll just go home and ALLOW China to build the military might and bases that will allow them to take over the South China Sea. ???

The Nine Dash Line has been THE plan since 1946.
It's completely against International Maritime Law, but we'll ignore that too.

This post was edited by Ghot on Dec 14 2022 11:56am

he didnt say that.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 14 2022 11:55am

Long story short , the current Chinese Government are not on the level compared to how the US can control central and South America when it comes to ASEAN.