Rivendell should have stayed neutral

The fact that you believe there is good and evil in this world means that you have slight problems understanding the world at large and Geo politics in general.
You should start watching Game of Thrones if you find history books, culture and Geo Political a bit too bland for you.
Game of Thrones will give you a rough idea.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 26 2022 04:21am

Switzerland are where the bankers live

look up world debt. every nation is in debt. in debt to who?
the world is 300 trillion dollars in debt? thats what i remember. you want "your loan" they want something in return?

This post was edited by TiStuff on Nov 26 2022 05:21am

1. Good thing the US isn't a democracy.
2. If a country wants to be neutral... there's nothing wrong with that.

Switzerland is rarely neutral in any conflict, always benefitting from them

That's the crux though: where do we draw the line for foreign conflicts to be "unrelated" to our interests?
For example, was NATO justified in interfering in the Yugoslav Wars during the 90s; was a genocidal war taking place right on Europe's doorstep something that could (or even should) have been ignored?

Yes I do believe there is good and evil in this world.
Hitler was bad guy, and nazism was just wrong and evil.
Putin is a bad guy, and russism is just wrong and evil.
I understand you aint European, and so maybe you dont remember how nazism used to occupy nearly whole Europe.
Then there was a cold war, where half of Europe was under soviet occupation.
All polish patriots were just tortured and killed by soviets.
How could possible be that "not really an evil thing"?
How can occupying people, raping them, murdering them, robbing them, having them work and die in concentration camp could be 'not really an evil thing, just geopolitics"?
How could holocaust be considered "oh, its just normal politics, move on".
In the cold war if there was a protest, soviets took their tanks out and killed or imprisoned the protesters.
It was only 30 years ago. Putin and his people grow up in Soviet Russia, they are soviets, even if the country name is different.
There are people in the world who want to be legends. Who want their place in history, a status of a semigod.
NATO is a defensive alliance, while Russia is an imperialistic empire. I dont know what is a plan for Russia, how many countries they want to conquer. I can imagine they will probably stop at French border, as France has nukes.
You are an Asian person, you are used to live in a dictatorship.
I dont really say all dictatorship is very wrong, sometimes when the dictator is all right its fine. This is the case for Singapore.
But the problems start when he isn't, like in Russia, and you cant really change him.
The Russian's cant change Putin, not to mention Putin controls 95% media and only the smartest people have access to high quality information.

Some people were fine with slavery, with one person owning another one.
People in the past were selling other people in the markets, like they were animals or goods.
Is it really propaganda to believe it is evil, wrong?
The guy who is stronger has a right to own another one?
Just because he is stronger?
And why do you tell me to listen to people who want to enslave others?

This post was edited by Ironfister on Nov 26 2022 11:02am

When we speak about democracy, we mean the liberal one, constitutional one. Not an ancient greek democracy.
If your country is full of stupid people you are correct.
This is how Hitler came to power, won the elections once and then said "there will be no more elections".
Its up to people, citizens, to say him: hell no Mr Hitler, you need to obey the constitution, you cant just do whatever you want.

Ok so lets talk about Europe. Small to medium countries, that trade with each other and are generally friendly to each other.
And now an evil country shows up, that starts taking small and medium countries one by one.
In this situation the right thing is to unite and say "stop" or leave the front countries to be eaten by evil force, so that it can move to more countries and repeat over and over?

You dont want to rewind to Hitler, but its a good example why giving up is worse than fighting.
Hitler could have been beaten back in 1938/39/40, if he wasnt given right to occupy Austria, Czechia, Poland and France.