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Oct 11 2022 12:49pm
Quote (Santara @ Oct 11 2022 11:39am)
Irony.

US imperialism doesn't excuse Russian imperialism. No fucking clue indeed. Tell me about supporting the Gulf War. You seemed awfully insistent.

Of course, you do constantly excuse American imperialism: You deny any role the US has in creating the situation in Ukraine; you talk about how the promise to not expand NATO eastward doesn't matter or never existed; you argue that NATO's various aggressive wars don't justify Russia's demands that NATO not expand to Ukraine; you defend America when it destroys Russo-German infrastructure.

Your entire thing is to minimize American imperialism where it matters (now, the present) and gently disavow it where it doesn't matter (the past, back then). Amazing, btw, how everyone who talks about this Ukraine war was opposed to Iraq, despite most of the people here being exactly the type of people who cheered it on the loudest.

(Also, Russia's invasion isn't imperialism, we've been over this. Imperialism is a discrete concept of capital extraction, the opposite has been happening and will happen in greater amounts whenever peace is achieved.)
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Oct 11 2022 12:51pm
Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Oct 11 2022 01:45pm)
I am against war. I am against leaders and i'm against bankers. I am against worthless civilians who easily get baited.

I am for the people. Sad because when you look around, most are clueless bout most topics living on their devices while having low testosterone and man boobs and don't feel mad bout it. Such a sad world when people are happy to not be at their optimal best.


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Oct 11 2022 12:56pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 11 2022 02:51pm)
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We're all here at this exact moment. So i guess we all had some spare time today. I have lot of spare time. The joy of being set for life.
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Oct 11 2022 01:02pm
Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Oct 11 2022 01:56pm)
We're all here at this exact moment. So i guess we all had some spare time today. I have lot of spare time. The joy of being set for life.


we are all here, only one of us says that's a bad thing. that person is you, you do it all of the time.

you cry about people too invested in the news, and constantly post links showing you absorb news too.

you insult people who play videos games, and have topics of you buying/selling stuff from video games you play.

you say people spend too much time online, while online, in an obscure corner of the internet you've "quit" several times.

people who spend 3 hours of spare time reading up about ukraine and forming opinions are no worse than you. at all.
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Oct 11 2022 01:05pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 11 2022 01:51pm)
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LMFAO, no doubt.

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I am against war. I am against leaders and i'm against bankers. I am against worthless civilians who easily get baited.

I am for the people. Sad because when you look around, most are clueless bout most topics living on their devices while having low testosterone and man boobs and don't feel mad bout it. Such a sad world when people are happy to not be at their optimal best.


How many jingoisms are you gonna spew without answering the question? I too am against war, government, and banksters. But the question remains: you seemed quite insistent that I "supported the Gulf War," tried to use it as a bludgeon against me, and have nothing to prove it's even remotely true.

I'm gonna have to start calling you Ethan, FFS.

Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 11 2022 01:49pm)
Of course, you do constantly excuse American imperialism: You deny any role the US has in creating the situation in Ukraine; you talk about how the promise to not expand NATO eastward doesn't matter or never existed; you argue that NATO's various aggressive wars don't justify Russia's demands that NATO not expand to Ukraine; you defend America when it destroys Russo-German infrastructure.

Your entire thing is to minimize American imperialism where it matters (now, the present) and gently disavow it where it doesn't matter (the past, back then). Amazing, btw, how everyone who talks about this Ukraine war was opposed to Iraq, despite most of the people here being exactly the type of people who cheered it on the loudest.

(Also, Russia's invasion isn't imperialism, we've been over this. Imperialism is a discrete concept of capital extraction, the opposite has been happening and will happen in greater amounts whenever peace is achieved.)


Absolutely nothing the US did, or has even been accused of doing in Ukraine, justifies Russia's invasion. Russia doesn't get a say in who Ukraine associates with.

A promise that died with the administration that issued it, because it was not put into writing.

It's absolutely imperialism. Ask the Ukrainians about the half billion in stolen grain that Russia is smuggling.
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Oct 11 2022 01:17pm
Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ 11 Oct 2022 11:56)
We're all here at this exact moment. So i guess we all had some spare time today. I have lot of spare time. The joy of being set for life.


I'm not sure I'd share that "joy" in decreasing my quality of living to which you've sacrificed.

Quote (kusotarre1 @ 11 Oct 2022 11:49)
NATO's various aggressive wars


wut

This post was edited by Cascadian on Oct 11 2022 01:18pm
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Oct 11 2022 01:18pm
Russia takes action to alter the status of Ukraine as a Western tool: bad.

America takes action to alter the status of Ukraine as an independent state: dezinformatsiya!

All one-sides excuses for American instigation, meddling and aggression combined with one-sided condemnation for Russia (eventually, slowly, begrudgingly) responding in kind.
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Oct 11 2022 01:20pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ Oct 11 2022 02:18pm)
Russia takes action to alter the status of Ukraine as a Western tool: bad.

America takes action to alter the status of Ukraine as an independent state: dezinformatsiya!

All one-sides excuses for American instigation, meddling and aggression combined with one-sided condemnation for Russia (eventually, slowly, begrudgingly) responding in kind.


FFS, as if the "actions" are even remotely comparable. What the US did in Ukraine, Russia did in the US.
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Oct 11 2022 01:20pm
Quote (Cascadian @ Oct 11 2022 12:17pm)
wut

For extra fun, ask American diplomats to explain why they recognize Kosovo as a state but not Crimea as part of Russia.

If you can, since they'd never accept an interview with a "journalist" who would ask such a question.
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Oct 11 2022 01:20pm
Quote (kusotarre1 @ 11 Oct 2022 12:18)
aggression.


You keep using that word and I'm pretty sure you don't know its definition...

Quote (kusotarre1 @ 11 Oct 2022 12:20)
For extra fun, ask American diplomats to explain why they recognize Kosovo as a state but not Crimea as part of Russia.

If you can, since they'd never accept an interview with a "journalist" who would ask such a question.


wut... here we don't execute the media for asking questions

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