I doubt he was even aware she was present, normally background people are invisible to celebrities.
I wouldn't trust Alec Baldwin to check a gun, that's why they hired a guy to do it.
I also think using real guns on sets should have died with Brandon Lee.



I assumed the armourer would be doing all of that, I concur with your statement.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Oct 8 2022 02:08pm

No it's not because of Baldwin they hired a guy to do it. All gun/weapon props go though a qualified person by law/regulation/industry standard.
I think overall the whole process works well, a very rare thing to occur now days like winning a lotto ticket. It's just pure negligence.

However all the anti gun peddlers going to sing their tune. Furthermore using emotion to go after your guns.

Why do you need real guns for fake scenes?
We never got to see the crow as it was meant to be because of the same negligence, and that is the real crime.

Depends on the film. Certain period pieces may try to use real firearms for authenticity to a given time period. If the story or scene/s involve actual shooting or barrel flash for effect, then you'd want a real gun with blanks, as prop guns can't fire blanks. Either way, you have to have an experienced armorer when using real weapons on a set, and a 1st AD who knows proper handling as well. The 1st AD on the Rust set had been fired from a previous film, for a safety violation involving a misfire of a set weapon.

Many productions do in fact use replicas. But the main reason real guns are used to convey authenticity, especially close ups on finger on a trigger and barrel firing. For example if you are doing a western a recoil of a gun is still not quite the same as using a plastic toy gun even with cgi.
I mean we are getting to a point where it's needed less and less. It's naturally coming to that stage.

Also a plexi glass is used to protect the filming crew in those kinds of scenes. Which again the production failed to provide, like I said this was a giant cluster fuck of incompetence and safety protocols.

This post was edited by addone on Oct 8 2022 02:56pm

Surely modern cgi can do a better job, I mean most movies these days see 60 rounds out of a 15 round mag, so they can't be real blanks.

Which is why I don't think Alex gets any blame here to be honest.

The producing company should be paying anything out civilly and the person who called cold gun should be criminally charged if it's going to happen.

The man who pointed a gun at somebody and pulled the trigger, resulting in the death of a woman, by a bullet wound from that same gun, according to many on this forum, shares 0% of the blame for her death.

That's a simp take. Look as much as you might hate Alec for being a Hollywood Leftoid you need to discern criminal intent and negligence on his part.

First of only the armourer (weapons master) is responsible for loading the gun, and or the authorised personnel. Secondly he was told the gun was cold. Doing a western film, where just about everyone carries a gun at all times and shoots it every 10 mins it's easy to mix things up. If your mother accidentally puts a fish bone in your sandwich and you share it with your friend who eats and chokes on it. Is it your fault? Alec has been shooting scenes like this for many years, how was he supposed to one day wake up and know this time the gun was loaded for real?

Sometimes these things just happen you put your trust in the guy next to you has done his job. So you can put away your pitchfork away for another time.

This post was edited by addone on Oct 8 2022 05:43pm

I remember the story when it first happened, I totally understand how it works on set.

You are literally comparing making a sandwich that a kid chokes on to pointing a loaded gun at a woman, shooting and killing her.

But mine is a “simp take”.

Anybody who has ever used a firearm knows he first thing you do is check for live rounds. I carry a gun in my fucking pocket every time I take my dogs out and I check to see what rounds the cylinder is on. Every single time. I never touch a gun without checking the chamber or cylinder. If he was so used to using firearms why is he ignoring the first two things you learn on day one of firearm safety, always check for rounds and never point a gun at a human, loaded or not.

I don’t hate Alec Baldwin. Never met him, I am sure I wouldn’t like him if I did just by judging his words and body language. That doesn’t change one single thing about this, or my opinion of it. A man pointed a gun at a woman, shot and killed her, and now has officially gotten away with it. Scott free. And almost worse than that there are folk like you bending yourself into a fucking pretzel to make excuses for a man who, holy fuck, pointed a gun at a woman and shot her to death.


You never point a gun and pull a trigger just trusting some other guy checked the rounds. You do it yourself it takes half a second.

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Oct 8 2022 05:51pm