It's not about one exceeding the other. They both exist and can reinforce or contradict each other depending on the situation. Nobody saying racial privilege exists is saying class privilege doesn't.

The US certainly has less peer privilege than an average European. Just look at Quebec in Canada - very much more European than the rest of NA, there you have an extreme bias of francophone privilege.

Here in the USA you have a pretty extreme racial bias still.

Red-lining still exists, they just classify it a different way to make it more difficult to sue banks for violating the law.

Yes and No.
But I choose no.
But it can be a Yes and No. depending on where you are.

My issue is that where does it end and what is the purpose of discussion? most people would agree myself included that your ethnicity can offer privilege in many social domains, but so can absolutely everything else, including willful behaviours

how do you define the results of ethnic privilege and differentiate it from merit? how do you define the results of any sort of privilege and differentiate it from merit?

If you strip out correlated factors like income, class, and culture, there will still be some measure of benefit left over that we can ascribe to race. But the term as used today is an excuse both for lack of progress and the failure of progressive social initiatives.

True, just like black privilege in the USA.

This is what's called over-normalization. Income, class, and culture are tied into those racial components which were actively discriminated against until very recently.

It's like if you force women to be secretaries, then you normalize by job type. There's no discrimination! Women secretaries make just as much as men secretaries! Yeah, but the dsicrimination is in what jobs they have access to. You've normalized away the very obvious effect.



Every group has some level of privilege.

In the USA, black privilege only exists in an excessively narrow window. Pretty much all economic and social factors aren't privileged for blacks in the USA.

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You can define it pretty easily.

Take two identical resumes, one with the name Jamal, and the other named Steve. Send both of them out to the same set of job postings. Turns out Steve gets called for an interview much more than Jamal does.

These kinds of experiments are pretty easy to do and have been replicated to death.

Why do Asian Americans study so hard and yet being discriminated into admission into the best university even though they get the scores.



You are right, you fill in a university entrance with a Chen and a Jamal and you put your race as Asian and the other as black.
The black gets priority even though Chen's SAT is 1450 and Jamal is maybe 950 or 1100

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