Biggest loser -> germany
2nd loser -> russia

winner -> US

who did it? Prob us

us navy operated in the region not too long ago

total coincidence

Just because our president said he won’t allow NS2 to go operational, the fact we were in those waters literally a few miles away, and it’s always been our policy that we hate German reliance on Russian gas and have lobbied against it, doesn’t mean we would do something about it.

It’s totally more believable that the Russians are playing 14d chess in destroying these even though the logic behind it is weak at best.

My guess is that the Russians are testing German resolve. Russia is seeing how far Germany will bend over and spread its ass cheeks and I think we know the answer: very wide. By the end of this, the French will be making jokes about the Germans giving up

The Germans in the short-medium term aren’t going to do an about-face and all of the sudden embrace Russian energy or stop supporting Ukraine just because two pipelines they care about were damaged. This doesn’t somehow change their stance on the war but it does remove the insurance policy of what if we need gas in the dead of winter so maybe we go back to talks with Russia. These being damaged just means they don’t have an insurance policy. Idk how this helps Russia in any way, it actually removed some Russian leveraged In case of a long/harsh winter where they can tempt ze Germans to soften their positions.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 27 2022 12:15pm

I think Greenpace or some other of the green terrorist organization did it.

Your missing the part of the equation where it is an attack on german infrastructure (which it is) by allies.

if germany doesn't act they are just a colony.

Nordstream was built by capital from both rus and germany. ( and other european energy companies )

This post was edited by ownyaah on Sep 27 2022 12:32pm

Based, but I can't imagine something like this can be done without an "ok" from a major player

why would russia blow up its only bargaining chip?

sitting on a gas filled pipeline that is ready to go for the upcoming winter was their main position towards germany and therefore the EU

a harsh winter with mass civil unrest to force an end to the sanctions was the kremlims pipe dream.....until now

what our resident pootin apologists and tinfoil enthusiasts seem to "forget", while spreading their simplistic pro kremlin takes on the issue, is the other side of their "reward" equation:

while it's true that this benefits the interest of the shitty american lng industry, which very much has been an economic goal of several US administrations, the risk involved in blowing up those pipelines is MASSIVE for the US, and pales in comparison to whatever "benefit" (a re-orientation on the gas market, something germany was already forced to do) this results in. the baltic sea is a relatively closely monitored body of water, seismographs picked up irregularities (most likely explosions) right away. should american operatives be caught or found out to be behind this, it'd have major diplomatic and economic consequences, it'd result in a massive fallout and shatter the relations between the two countries. i think it's incredibly unlikely the US is behind this, even though i personally wouldn't rule it out entirely. they are not "good" guys.

you'd also have to be pretty dumb not to realise russia's possible motivation: have germany and the EU pressure ukraine into peace negotiations that favour russian demands. that and the general chaos and economic damage this created. the "argument" that russia would destroy its leverage by blowing up those pipelines, and therefore couldn't possibly be behind this, is plain stupid - at least if you're even remotely familiar with the situation. even prior to the sabotage, russia had made transparent "excuses" not to deliver gas to germany (the whole turbine saga in august comes to mind), they already used that bargaining chip. also, russia doesn't risk much by blowing up those pipelines. they are already diplomatically and economically isolated from the west, and they know that even if caught red handed, it's unlikely this would trigger an open war with a nuclear power.

additionally, the CIA apparently already warned the german government this summer that those pipelines could be a possible target for acts of russian sabotage. again, that does not technically rule out they're behind it, but it makes it even less likely. common sense as well as an honest evaluation of risks and rewards clearly point to russia as the culprit, no matter what the likes of ampootin and void were fed on facebook...