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Sep 2 2022 07:15am
the speech was vanilla, the backdrop was a terrible choice.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 2 2022 08:15am)
the speech was vanilla, the backdrop was a terrible choice.


This part can't be normalized
This is the first time a sitting US president has given a televised speech for the explicit purpose of denigrating a former president. Nothing in modern times like this. No administration has ever been so classless and disrespectful to use their bully pulpit to directly blame their problems on their predecessor and denounce him. Not as a speech. All the norms of civility were chucked out the window, and that was done by Joe Biden, not Donald Trump
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Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 2 2022 10:16am)
This part can't be normalized
This is the first time a sitting US president has given a televised speech for the explicit purpose of denigrating a former president. Nothing in modern times like this. No administration has ever been so classless and disrespectful to use their bully pulpit to directly blame their problems on their predecessor and denounce him. Not as a speech. All the norms of civility were chucked out the window, and that was done by Joe Biden, not Donald Trump


No former president has refused to concede an election and has demanded reinstatement to the presidency almost two years removed from the presidency.
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This part can't be normalized
This is the first time a sitting US president has given a televised speech for the explicit purpose of denigrating a former president. Nothing in modern times like this. No administration has ever been so classless and disrespectful to use their bully pulpit to directly blame their problems on their predecessor and denounce him. Not as a speech. All the norms of civility were chucked out the window, and that was done by Joe Biden, not Donald Trump


give me a fucking break lol. in the 1800s if a president even wanted to do this, or if an ex president wanted to dog a sitting president, he'd write a newspaper article through a ghost writer and it would reach several thousand people or several hundred people watching the speech. we live in an era where Trump can go on Truth social 14 times a day and poke at Biden, and he does. we live in an era where an ousted president shares utter bullshit multiple times a week telling people that the democratic process has failed and is dead because he was illegally pushed from office against the will of the american people. and biden says "hey guys this isnt good, these people aren't for the good of america, and oh by the fucking way its not ALL of the people who call themselves republicans. it's not even most. its a small group of them, most republicans are good people we can work with."

so again, give me a fucking break lol. we live in the twitterverse now, what anyone from John Adams to Jimmy Carter did doesnt fucking matter in the least. not even a tiny tiny tiny little bit. its 100% moot.

your post sounds like one of those made up NFL stats: "he is the first QB to have more than 6 missed passes on an away game in the 3rd quarter in 4 or more games on thursday nights".

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Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 2 2022 12:16pm)
This part can't be normalized
This is the first time a sitting US president has given a televised speech for the explicit purpose of denigrating a former president. Nothing in modern times like this. No administration has ever been so classless and disrespectful to use their bully pulpit to directly blame their problems on their predecessor and denounce him. Not as a speech. All the norms of civility were chucked out the window, and that was done by Joe Biden, not Donald Trump


LOL. TFG did it every day from the Oval Office (and from Trump Tower before he was elected). You're gonna cry about decorum? Fuck outta here.
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LOL. TFG did it every day from the Oval Office (and from Trump Tower before he was elected). You're gonna cry about decorum? Fuck outta here.


Obama took a nap on almost all of the entire presidency of Trump, barely said shit despite trump posting weekly about how things werent his fault and actually Obama's fault. i'm sure goom will point to dozens of times he said this was bad for trump to do and gave obama credit for not responding. surely. it must be there....
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This part can't be normalized
This is the first time a sitting US president has given a televised speech for the explicit purpose of denigrating a former president. Nothing in modern times like this. No administration has ever been so classless and disrespectful to use their bully pulpit to directly blame their problems on their predecessor and denounce him. Not as a speech. All the norms of civility were chucked out the window, and that was done by Joe Biden, not Donald Trump



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Sep 2 2022 11:50am
Doesn't matter, the left is never made to pay for their crimes.
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Sep 2 2022 11:55am
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 2 2022 12:25pm)
LOL. TFG did it every day from the Oval Office (and from Trump Tower before he was elected). You're gonna cry about decorum? Fuck outta here.


Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 2 2022 12:29pm)
Obama took a nap on almost all of the entire presidency of Trump, barely said shit despite trump posting weekly about how things werent his fault and actually Obama's fault. i'm sure goom will point to dozens of times he said this was bad for trump to do and gave obama credit for not responding. surely. it must be there....


Obama criticized Trump, Trump criticized Obama. Both avoided it for the most part but dipped their toes in it. They upheld the civility of the office.
Trump criticized Biden, Biden held a prime time speech as president to denounce Trump while weaponizing his FBI to persecute him.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 2 2022 12:23pm)
give me a fucking break lol. in the 1800s if a president even wanted to do this, or if an ex president wanted to dog a sitting president, he'd write a newspaper article through a ghost writer and it would reach several thousand people or several hundred people watching the speech. we live in an era where Trump can go on Truth social 14 times a day and poke at Biden, and he does. we live in an era where an ousted president shares utter bullshit multiple times a week telling people that the democratic process has failed and is dead because he was illegally pushed from office against the will of the american people. and biden says "hey guys this isnt good, these people aren't for the good of america, and oh by the fucking way its not ALL of the people who call themselves republicans. it's not even most. its a small group of them, most republicans are good people we can work with."

so again, give me a fucking break lol. we live in the twitterverse now, what anyone from John Adams to Jimmy Carter did doesnt fucking matter in the least. not even a tiny tiny tiny little bit. its 100% moot.

your post sounds like one of those made up NFL stats: "he is the first QB to have more than 6 missed passes on an away game in the 3rd quarter in 4 or more games on thursday nights".


This is a complete change for the political landscape in the post civil war era. I don't know or care how it compares to ancient history, but in terms of the office of the presidency and the very basic level of civility in our civil society, Biden just crossed a rather important line. Its more like saying "He's the first QB to run up to the opposing QB on the sidelines and stab him with a shiv". Maybe that kind of roughhousing was more normal back in the 1800s, but when a QB proudly does it on camera, it means we're exiting an era of civil football and into an era of no holds barred struggles. Which, abandoning that tortured metaphor, is something you should recognize is anathema to a functioning democracy.
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