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Jul 11 2022 10:56am
You're in big trouble guys!
What you see here is intimidation mafia style vs public servants which is dressed up as "protest". They should be prosecuted and put in jail. You give them a hand and soon they'll tore your arm off.

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Jul 11 2022 11:02am
Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 11 2022 11:56am)
You're in big trouble guys!
What you see here is intimidation mafia style vs public servants which is dressed up as "protest". They should be prosecuted and put in jail. You give them a hand and soon they'll tore your arm off.


The supreme court itself has said it's legal to protest outside of the homes of government officials as a protected use of the first amendment as long as you're standing on public property.

OOPS!
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The supreme court itself has said it's legal to protest outside of the homes of government officials as a protected use of the first amendment as long as you're standing on public property.

OOPS!



We are talking about an organization paying for real time locations on judges, one of which had a very recent assassination attempt by the same team. This is not about “peaceful protest”, which is basically a euphemism at this point.
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Jul 11 2022 09:47pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 11 Jul 2022 17:40)
This is the end result of the courts doing the most governing, rather than being an end game check to legislation. the scotus has gotten more done in the last 15 years than congress. presidents only get things done via EO.

This so much.



Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Jul 2022 16:25)
There is no more fragile thread of our democracy right now than the potential assassination of a supreme court justice, one of an opposition party.
Our government can and has weathered assassinations of all sorts of other offices, and senators, congressmen, even presidents are all replaceable representatives of the people. It doesn't change policy or which party is in control when an assassination occurs. But the supreme court has become infected by zero sum game partisanship and is a lifetime appointment. We have no way to reconcile an assassinated justice from an opposing side. If the Kavanaugh assassin had been successful, what would have happened? No Republican would accept Joe Biden scoring a political victory for the democrats by having a judge murdered and profiting from it. And while there is a sane out- having a president try to reconcile a nation by deferring his choice to the opposition- Joe Biden is absolutely not the kind of person capable of that kind of act of national healing. We can safely say at this point he'd find a way to inflame the country even worse.

I think it could be the thread that simply unravels all fabric at the federal level. All the legitimacy, shared national identity, the whole government, it could be toppled.

I think it could also work with the Senate. Imagine somene assassinates 2-3 Republican Senators, followed by Democrats nuking the filibuster and passing a federal right to abortion, a federal gun control law, grant statehood to Puerto Rico and DC, pass some sort of BBB, pass some sort of amnesty bill, pass Supreme Court "reform" which enacts term limits and expands the court, etc. pp. - all against the protestation of Manchin and Sinema.

The midterms might be too close by now for such a scenario to pan out, but it's totally within the realm of the thinkable whenever there is a slim but ideologically united trifecta in Washington which is only held back by 1-2 mavericks in the Senate.

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You're misunderstanding my post. there's been a historical workflow, congress/senate writes laws, president approves or denies laws, scotus undoes laws.

congress doesnt write laws anymore, not really. the president writes laws with no checks via EO. but scotus keeps working. there's an imbalance, the scotus is doing its job but without new inflow of laws, president is doing congress' job, congress is just a shitty investigatory showcourt.


The founders clearly stated that this government was only capable of being run by an educated Christian population.

We chose this and now we have to deal with it.
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Jul 11 2022 10:04pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 11 2022 10:47pm)
This so much.




I think it could also work with the Senate. Imagine somene assassinates 2-3 Republican Senators, followed by Democrats nuking the filibuster and passing a federal right to abortion, a federal gun control law, grant statehood to Puerto Rico and DC, pass some sort of BBB, pass some sort of amnesty bill, pass Supreme Court "reform" which enacts term limits and expands the court, etc. pp. - all against the protestation of Manchin and Sinema.

The midterms might be too close by now for such a scenario to pan out, but it's totally within the realm of the thinkable whenever there is a slim but ideologically united trifecta in Washington which is only held back by 1-2 mavericks in the Senate.


But I mean, fundamentally senators like congressmen and even presidents are replaceable representatives. If James Hodgkinson had actually managed to assassinate Steve Scalice and Rand Paul, the voters of Kentucky and Louisiana would simply replace them with likeminded Republicans and the balance of power would be unchanged. The very minimal bar for our democracy would be what, making sure Democrats don't try to seize upon a missing quorum or ram through legislation while they're temporarily down a seat and unable to filibuster or something? It requires some real proactive whoring on their part.

The supreme court has been so politicized, largely as a result of Roe and what both the majority and even Robert's dissent all wanted to push back against in the long term, even if they inflamed it in the short term. And with lifetime appointments falling luck of the draw to partisan executives, there's an obvious perverse incentive in any game theory analysis for an administration to murder opposition judges to gain their seats and stack the court to get their wishlist enacted. The qanon quacks even started conspiracies about this when Scalia died even though Trump got to install a mini-me, and we're fortunate RGB was so obviously past her due date and had known cancers, else progressives might have thought the same.

If someone murdered a conservative justice and it fell to Biden to pick a replacement, and he nominated anyone to the left of Ann Coulter, it would unravel our republic. The minute our government becomes ruled by murder-for-power, is the minute we start brushing up on the history of the early roman empire and the praetorian guard. Forget tit-for-tat assassinations of liberal justices under a republican president, we'd never reach that point, our country just has no function. Save for the grace of a benevolent president willing to cross the aisle and heal divides. And of all the deep space we just photographed with the james webb telescope, the vacuum occupied between Joe Biden's ears is the least likely candidate for that
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Jul 11 2022 11:03pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 11 2022 09:04pm)
But I mean, fundamentally senators like congressmen and even presidents are replaceable representatives. If James Hodgkinson had actually managed to assassinate Steve Scalice and Rand Paul, the voters of Kentucky and Louisiana would simply replace them with likeminded Republicans and the balance of power would be unchanged. The very minimal bar for our democracy would be what, making sure Democrats don't try to seize upon a missing quorum or ram through legislation while they're temporarily down a seat and unable to filibuster or something? It requires some real proactive whoring on their part.

The supreme court has been so politicized, largely as a result of Roe and what both the majority and even Robert's dissent all wanted to push back against in the long term, even if they inflamed it in the short term. And with lifetime appointments falling luck of the draw to partisan executives, there's an obvious perverse incentive in any game theory analysis for an administration to murder opposition judges to gain their seats and stack the court to get their wishlist enacted. The qanon quacks even started conspiracies about this when Scalia died even though Trump got to install a mini-me, and we're fortunate RGB was so obviously past her due date and had known cancers, else progressives might have thought the same.

If someone murdered a conservative justice and it fell to Biden to pick a replacement, and he nominated anyone to the left of Ann Coulter, it would unravel our republic. The minute our government becomes ruled by murder-for-power, is the minute we start brushing up on the history of the early roman empire and the praetorian guard. Forget tit-for-tat assassinations of liberal justices under a republican president, we'd never reach that point, our country just has no function. Save for the grace of a benevolent president willing to cross the aisle and heal divides. And of all the deep space we just photographed with the james webb telescope, the vacuum occupied between Joe Biden's ears is the least likely candidate for that


Both Scalia and Ginsberg were murdered and Garland/Barret were of the opposite political persuasion. The republic didn't burn then and it won't burn in the future over a few dead SCOTUS justices.
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Jul 12 2022 06:05am
Quote (YeeHaw @ Jul 11 2022 07:52pm)
We are talking about an organization paying for real time locations on judges, one of which had a very recent assassination attempt by the same team. This is not about “peaceful protest”, which is basically a euphemism at this point.


every protest is legal until you try and hurt someone. paying to know where they are is legal, being in front of their house is legal, hurting them isnt. we dont prosecute thought crime.
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Jul 12 2022 06:27am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 12 2022 07:05am)
every protest is legal until you try and hurt someone. paying to know where they are is legal, being in front of their house is legal, hurting them isnt. we dont prosecute thought crime.


Being what a reasonable person would identify as intimidation of judges in an attempt to influence or obstruct their duties, or doxxing of a government official, or conspiracy towards any thereof- its neither legal nor thought crime
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