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Jun 2 2022 06:21pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jun 2 2022 06:19pm)
scripture is always there and i say its up for the challenge. when your ready i will hear you


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scripture is always there and i say its up for the challenge. when your ready i will hear you


I think hell will be frozen over before that patch comes out
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How is this not a contradicition? I was thinking about it and my only explanation is that the we have infinite if-else choices and after that again infinite if-else choices and that for infinity but he knows every single outcome...?!


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How is this not a contradicition? I was thinking about it and my only explanation is that the we have infinite if-else choices and after that again infinite if-else choices and that for infinity but he knows every single outcome...?!


read the work of Jacobus Arminius. This was solved hundreds of years ago
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Jun 2 2022 06:35pm
Your question is the very question behind the Calvinist-Arminian Schism.

Which is true: Predestination, or Free Will? Both seem contradictory.

Most of us Christians in North America believe the latter: Free will.
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Your question is the very question behind the Calvinist-Arminian Schism.

Which is true: Predestination, or Free Will? Both seem contradictory.

Most of us Christians in North America believe the latter: Free will.


But then you always have to have full awareness or have perfect impulse control otherwise youre not using your free will. then youre under controlled by good or bad spirtual forces and everything is like in a movie which happened to me for a year

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Quote (Fluechtlingshelferin @ Jun 2 2022 11:54pm)
But then you always have to have full awareness or have perfect impulse control otherwise youre not using your free will. then youre under controlled by good or bad spirtual forces and everything is like in a movie which happened to me for a year


Yes, we are all slaves to Satan in some manner - like you said impulse control.

But "perfect" impulse control would mean you have no Sin, basically you'd be Jesus which is not possible because of total depravity.

However, every time you exercise your free will - a deliberate action in spite of your impulses - you are serving God and proving that he granted you Free Will
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Jun 3 2022 08:39am
In order to answer your question I need you to very clearly explain time, what it is, and how and why it exists, or if it exists at all.

Some have theorized that all of existence occurred at once. You had your freewill, you made your choices. What you're experiencing now is just the aftermath, your "soul" attempting to make sense of it. Consider it purgatory. Others have theorized that all time is and has been, meaning someone or something that had the knowledge could go back and forth through time and see what you did and how you did it, from the day you're born to the day you die.

Is that fate? No, in either scenario, you made your own choices. The question has nothing whatsoever to do with free will, and everything to do with time, and whether or not it's the absolute that it's made out to be. If the Universe was created in 6 days, with the 7th used for rest, then how could it be possible for the world to be more than... What's the number? 6000 years old? The simple answer, of course, would be that the idea of time to a god is so completely different than our much more limited understanding that we wouldn't even understand it in the abstract.

Anyhow, not religious, not Christian, just figured I'd give the basic answer that it always devolves down to.
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Jun 3 2022 10:17am
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the last gasb after all the arguments been lost



No sir, just fact
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In order to answer your question I need you to very clearly explain time, what it is, and how and why it exists, or if it exists at all.


Interesting questions, Bobb.

Personally, I think that time does not exist as a real, physical thing out there. Its a human construct. It's a concept that humans came up with to make sense of the physical world. It's something that our brains use to measure the thermodynamic flow of physical events. And if there is no time, then there cannot be a beginning.
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