education and stability. as outlined above the root issue is that the value of life in some of these countries is so low it will take generations to improve. to my mind the fastest way would be to, broadly, invade, impose draconian laws and try to get them to find items they can agree on and go from there. However there is no political or military force on earth that is currently able to do that properly i.e. not America, not the West, not China, no one.

throwing money at places like this and iraq is like throwing coins into a bottomless pit. yea sure a few ppl will get rich but it does not trickle down so money in this regard is pointless.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 16 2022 02:19pm

A big part of the equation is that any time you stray from the west's sphere of influence you end up getting targeted for military action. Hard to grow an economy when your choices are 1) Lease all your resources to western countries or 2) Get bombed.

Another is resource distribution. If your resources can be extracted using outside technology (oil) or slaves (farming, diamonds) then you have no real reason to industralize beyond that. Play ball with the west and they will largely keep you in power.

So with this you end up in a situation where if most of your resources have to come from a skilled labor industry, you can industralize and bring your population up. If you can extract it with an uneducated disconnected population, then that's all you'll get. In the middle where there's some stability and some education is where you get frequent revolutions without real change.



Great video on the subject

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on May 16 2022 02:25pm

South Korea, Japan, KSA, UAE, etc etc- its possible for backwards countries that are centuries behind the modernized world to suddenly jump forward and become world powers within a single generation. With or without natural resources.

Generally speaking, they have always been achieved by a strong nationalist identity and centralized authority. Uniting all the people of a country, even if it means restricting individual/local freedoms. The Japanese crushed their middle class and disarmed them and suppressed local traditions and culture and local governance to fold them all completely under an imperial power, and they went from bows to battleships. But nationalism is only a means to an end, like a tool it can be used to restrict development as much as it can foster it. Look at South Korea vs North Korea. Devoted 100% to nationalism, but also entirely shut off from the world and completely unable to modernize.

Foreign 'benevolence' from a world power micromanaging their economy is also a mixed bag. South Korea and Japan post-war might be success stories, but US involvement in African / South American / Middle eastern governments has involved far larger investments for far less effect, leaving them true shitholes. Meanwhile China has been modernizing African nations and their infrastructure, but turning them into economic slave states.

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 16 2022 02:32pm

This is a good thing. Without our troops practicing, we'll be as embarrassing as Russia in terms of performance. No one doubts America's ability to invade, execute special operations, etc. Consistently showing the world how powerful we are is extraordinarily important.

Seeing the news that we're sending troops back to Somalia instead of Ilhan Omar is very disappointing

Why wouldn't we use an army we spend so much on again?

Interesting video. Does raise some alarms “tax the rich” is, yknow, a thing right now. Sounds like the world could use a few more coups. I agree with some others that a hardline approach over a few generations is likely necessary. Japan is a great example. They are the only country to be nuked, and twice, and their tendency to focus on Japan, not the world, not peoples feelings, thrust them into being a true world power. Like, I can’t even visit right now as a tourist without extreeeeemely good reasons that I don’t have. Got the money for a ticket, could book a hotel, and they’ll say no. During their ebbs they’ve become a technological powerhouse and history shows advanced technology usually reaps greater benefits. Sounds like Somolia needs a tough life lesson in survival. I’ll be watching how Biden does it closely, I see him as a key not a key holder.

But at some point, the world tends to spill into America with their problems. I see it everyday driving a mile down the road. People with no sense of dignity or nationalism who continue to act as desperate souls, while perpetuating the same decisions that got them there in the first place, are invading my country and neighborhoods. Trying to turn my home into the same thing they abandoned because it was so bad. Loyalty isn’t everything but it goes a long way. Yes, talking about illegal immigrants.

We’ll see Somolia, we’ll see. Opportunities are not unlimited in this world and at some point, it won’t be Somolia anymore and it won’t be filled with Somolians. It’ll get better or end up erased from the earth and a new set of people can inhabit it and try again. Or as an American and those like me will continue be milked for our skills and education that generate revenue, and a revolt will happen. Starting to feel a bit, Thanos-y, watching success and peace being brutalized and abused by a few select people. Look at the Middle East, look at the Aztecs and Incas, look at native Americans. The planet doesn’t “have” to keep everyone to keep moving. I watched the whole video and it pretty was decent

Also India just stopped exporting a lot of food, they are feeling the same way. Over 3x, maybe 4x or more of our population. Didn’t make the biggest headlines but probably important to more than India.

This post was edited by justhackitup on May 16 2022 04:03pm

looking forward to CRIPPLING SANCTIONS from Poland, UK, France, Germany towards the fascist inhuman USA murderers

Solid lol.

Al-Shabaab's intelligence officials have clear indications suggesting the USA might be preparing to use chemical agents in Somalia. Al-Shabaab officials have expressed concern that America could begin using chemical or biological weapons, either directly or in a false-flag operation designed to legitimize their invasion. Al-Shabaab spokesman Ali Mohamed Rage warned the USA that it would pay a "severe price" if it used chemical weapons. "I'm not going to speak about the intelligence, but American Swine will pay a severe price if they use chemicals".