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Mar 24 2022 06:27am
Quote (Skinned @ Mar 24 2022 12:56pm)
Socialization. Religion is primarily a regional thing. You're taught as a kid to believe certain things.

Why in general do human hang one to this? We have always had our mythology and creation myths, Gods of the Gaps, etc.

For a lot of people is a meaning of life thing. Religion just works for some people to fight off nihilism. Others use art, music, and literature. Some use philosophy. Some are so concrete mentally than can just focus on careers and families and not worry about stupid abstract things like metaphysical concerns.

I certainly don't believe in god. People are born and they die and that is their experience. We experience the world through our mind which is emergent from physical processes within a body, and that is the obvious truth, because your entire experience of the world can change if your organs starts to fail and the thing your mind is emergent from starts to fail.....

We call brain death dementia. There are several types of ways the brain can become diseased and physically atrophy to the point of death in the dementia umbrella. The thing that the mind emerges from is broke and therefore the mind doesn't work. You're still alive but you don't have a mind and anything resembling you is gone at this point. When you bear witness to this you intuitively know its happening and that is why people grieve them while they're alive and have relief when they finally die.

What we call the human soul is actually the human mind....the aggregate of all love, tastes, experience, tendencies, fears, drives, spirituality, all is in the mind. It has created the Bible, the Koran, the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path, the Ramayana, and many other things that express our universal desires and truths, mixed with a little mythology.

I never thought Aesop's Fables were meant to be taken literally personally, and I've considered every holy book to be a version of Aesop's Fables. But the lessons are good lessons.

My old friend Widowmaker would hate me for saying this, but I approach religion like a buffet.


I love that answer and if english would be my first language I would maybe not have worded my question as basic as I did.
How you described it from your perspective is absolutey and 100% the way I would have described religion in my language.
I appreciate your time and the effort to write this answer to an oversimplified question.

Thank you very much for that :-)
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Mar 24 2022 06:28am
Quote (Mondain @ Mar 24 2022 01:18pm)
so say "Oh my Dragons"


Why would I?

Dont you realize how stupid this "argument" is?
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Mar 24 2022 06:31am
Quote (Diablos_Uber @ Mar 24 2022 01:23pm)
The answer should be obvious then. People believe in God because they believe that God has revealed himself through scripture.


This answer is as simple as my question. So I guess I have to say fair enough.

Despite my simple question tho, this answer isnt enough for me personally.

I personally would always need at least a slight hint into the direction of truth before I believe any claim, let alone an extraordinary claim.
If people believe the bible is god's word than my next question would certainly be: Why do you believe that?
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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 24 2022 08:28am)
Why would I?

Dont you realize how stupid this "argument" is?


I believe that you internally believe in god and thus use the term "my god" "jesus christ" & "hell"

you may try everything you can to externally deny your true internal belief but this slip proves that you believe.

This is where you roll your eyes and call this "stupid" and continue to ignore what you believe subconsciously.

Otherwise there would be no use of God, Jesus or hell. Because as you claim they don't exists and thus you would not use those terms which don't correlate to anything.
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Mar 24 2022 06:33am
Quote (Mondain @ Mar 24 2022 07:05am)
If you don't believe in God, why use the word God.

e- The excuse "it's just a phrase or expression" is avoiding the question. Every non-believer I've asked this of has quickly used this to avoid answering the question.


If you don't believe in the norse gods why do you say Thursday? If you aren't arab why do you use arabic numerals?

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Socialization. Religion is primarily a regional thing. You're taught as a kid to believe certain things.

Why in general do human hang one to this? We have always had our mythology and creation myths, Gods of the Gaps, etc.

For a lot of people is a meaning of life thing. Religion just works for some people to fight off nihilism. Others use art, music, and literature. Some use philosophy. Some are so concrete mentally than can just focus on careers and families and not worry about stupid abstract things like metaphysical concerns.

I certainly don't believe in god. People are born and they die and that is their experience. We experience the world through our mind which is emergent from physical processes within a body, and that is the obvious truth, because your entire experience of the world can change if your organs starts to fail and the thing your mind is emergent from starts to fail.....

We call brain death dementia. There are several types of ways the brain can become diseased and physically atrophy to the point of death in the dementia umbrella. The thing that the mind emerges from is broke and therefore the mind doesn't work. You're still alive but you don't have a mind and anything resembling you is gone at this point. When you bear witness to this you intuitively know its happening and that is why people grieve them while they're alive and have relief when they finally die.

What we call the human soul is actually the human mind....the aggregate of all love, tastes, experience, tendencies, fears, drives, spirituality, all is in the mind. It has created the Bible, the Koran, the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path, the Ramayana, and many other things that express our universal desires and truths, mixed with a little mythology.

I never thought Aesop's Fables were meant to be taken literally personally, and I've considered every holy book to be a version of Aesop's Fables. But the lessons are good lessons.

My old friend Widowmaker would hate me for saying this, but I approach religion like a buffet.


genetic fallacy

Quote (Modulok2405 @ Mar 24 2022 04:46am)
Serious Question....why?

I cant wrap my head around that nonsense, enlighten me please.

I'll appreciate it.


do you have an argument why no God?
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Mar 24 2022 06:33am
Stupid thread. The idea isn't to take every story written in religious texts literally. It's to learn from them and create a basic framework for living a good life.

You really think that morality can be derived from within without the need for religion? Just look around.

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If you don't believe in the norse gods why do you say Thursday?


If you don't believe in lucifer why do you say Sunday?
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Mar 24 2022 06:35am
I used to think it is all bullshit and at least satan was the "cool" one.
Till I saw what was being done in his name.
Evil beyond comprehension and must be stopped at all costs.
As for god, he is a coward that does nothing to help.
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Mar 24 2022 06:38am
Quote (Mondain @ Mar 24 2022 01:32pm)
I believe that you internally believe in god and thus use the term "my god" "jesus christ" & "hell"

you may try everything you can to externally deny your true internal belief but this slip proves that you believe.

This is where you roll your eyes and call this "stupid" and continue to ignore what you believe subconsciously.

Otherwise there would be no use of God, Jesus or hell. Because as you claim they don't exists and thus you would not use those terms which don't correlate to anything.


Yeah, I already realized that this is what you think it means when someone uses terma like "oh my god", I got that message.
I still dont know why and how you interpret it like that, but if thats the way you wanna argue than go ahead. I dont think I will change opinion on that matter anyways so I wont try. I try to explain it to you one last time but I think we are done after that.

Its not that I HAVE to say "Oh my god" to feel good, its just that its a term that is burnt into people's language. Its a phrase you are raised with just like hundreds of others. You just use it, its a habit.
Those phrases are not nearly as important as you may think they are. They dont imply any conscious or subconscious believe. I dont know how you came to the conclusion that they do.

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