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Feb 9 2022 02:47pm
All wars are murdering for political beliefs.

Vouch this as a former dog of the state.
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Feb 9 2022 03:12pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 9 2022 03:36pm)
Its not manslaughter when you commit an inherently violent felony that a reasonable person would know poses deadly risk to parties unknown, and cause a death. The intent to commit the violence transfers to the criminal liability for death, making it murder. Under state law it would be 3rd degree murder, under federal law its first degree felony murder, §2A1.1.
The normal sentence was 20 years for first degree felony murder with this calculated offense level from the factors in the guidelines. It was cut in half to 10 years, because his motive was political, and the prosecutor endorsed his political views and condoned them as justification for the crime.


ya sure cool, what im saying is that i think if someone sets a building on fire and doesnt know someone is inside, and that person dies, that 12 years sounds about right for a sentence.

is there some fuckery involved? yes. is political leaning working its way into prosecuting and sentencing a bad thing? yes. am i going to get my panties in a twist for a dude still doing a decade in prison for a crime because he could instead do 2 decades? nope. i'll reserve my outrage for Brock Turner type cases, for no cops being behind bars for the murder of Tamir Rice, for judges that hold 3 minute trials for juveniles that are paid off to conveyor belt kids into for profit juvenile programs, etc.
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ya sure cool, what im saying is that i think if someone sets a building on fire and doesnt know someone is inside, and that person dies, that 12 years sounds about right for a sentence.

is there some fuckery involved? yes. is political leaning working its way into prosecuting and sentencing a bad thing? yes. am i going to get my panties in a twist for a dude still doing a decade in prison for a crime because he could instead do 2 decades? nope. i'll reserve my outrage for Brock Turner type cases, for no cops being behind bars for the murder of Tamir Rice, for judges that hold 3 minute trials for juveniles that are paid off to conveyor belt kids into for profit juvenile programs, etc.


buildings are meant to shelter people, you have to assume that someone is there

ignorance is not an excuse here
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Feb 9 2022 03:40pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Feb 9 2022 04:22pm)
buildings are meant to shelter people, you have to assume that someone is there

ignorance is not an excuse here


and guns are meant to kill people, shooting someone with one as a gun owner and safe gun user should only be done if you assume you are willing to kill them, and yet shooting someone in the leg in many jurisdictions doesnt carry federal murder charges. its not like im saying the guy is innocent of all crime but arson, i'm saying i think the situation merits negligent manslaughter charges and that a decade of his life in prison is enough that im not up in arms about the sentencing even if i disagree with the motivation behind the sentencing.

why is nuance so hard for some of you NPCs? he set fire to a closed pawn shop, not an orphanage while the children were asleep.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 9 2022 03:41pm
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Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 9 2022 03:15pm)
12 years for entirely unintentional manslaughter during a heightened situation of mob mentality with a police stand down order seems about right to me tbh.


Most of these sentences get cut in half, so Id support the initial 20.
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Feb 9 2022 03:42pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 9 2022 04:41pm)
Most of these sentences get cut in half, so Id support the initial 20.


and with good reason, parole saves taxpayers an incredible amount of money, and prisons dont rehabilitate anyone on average. also many that are paroled end up back behind bars anyways.
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and with good reason, parole saves taxpayers an incredible amount of money, and prisons dont rehabilitate anyone on average. also many that are paroled end up back behind bars anyways.


let them out since they are going to commit crimes again anyway.

/logic
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Feb 9 2022 03:56pm
Quote (SanduLungu @ Feb 9 2022 04:52pm)
let them out since they are going to commit crimes again anyway.

/logic


you dont seem to have understood what i said, i for one am shocked.

endless wants them behind bars longer, most criminals commit statutory offenses that land them back behind bars for breaking parole, many of them non-crimes if you're not on parole. so im saying if his intent it to jail them they may be there anyways, and we can save money in the meantime.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 9 2022 04:56pm)
you dont seem to have understood what i said, i for one am shocked.

endless wants them behind bars longer, most criminals commit statutory offenses that land them back behind bars for breaking parole, many of them non-crimes if you're not on parole. so im saying if his intent it to jail them they may be there anyways, and we can save money in the meantime.


That’s galaxy brain

I never considered that
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Feb 9 2022 04:02pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 9 2022 09:56pm)
you dont seem to have understood what i said, i for one am shocked.

endless wants them behind bars longer, most criminals commit statutory offenses that land them back behind bars for breaking parole, many of them non-crimes if you're not on parole. so im saying if his intent it to jail them they may be there anyways, and we can save money in the meantime.


sure, but at the same time, longer time in jail, more time to commit offences in jail, more time added. hopefully for life.
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