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Jan 28 2022 04:16pm
why are right wingers just a bunch of cringe incels and pedophile(s/ defenders)?
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Jan 28 2022 04:18pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jan 28 2022 04:12pm)
so if a guy pays for the dinner on a date, is that a gift and prostitution as well?


There have to be two logical extremes where its undeniable, and a middle ground where the line exists

If a man buys two tickets to a movies and takes his long-term girlfriend and they shag later that night, can the state bust down the door and arrest them both? He bought her a thing of value, and she engaged in sex.
If a man visits a pimp who shows off a selection of girls, he picks one and takes her to a motel and bangs her and gives her $200 and she gives a cut back to her pimp, can the state arrest them?
So what's the cutoff point

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Jan 28 2022 04:20pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jan 28 2022 02:12pm)
so if a guy pays for the dinner on a date, is that a gift and prostitution as well?

i mean the gender dynanics are a value exchange every single time, thats how things are, but where is the line?

buy an expensive handbag = prostitution, what about a golden salt bae steak dinner for the same price?

the real problem here is the following

women can retroactively withdraw consent at any time in the #metoo age or like in this case the government retroactively constructs a criminal act out of nowhere

everything was consensual, everyone got what they wanted and the guy still gets rekt

for me these chicks on seeking are clearly prostitutes even if they dont see themselves that way



Yes. The nuclear family was built on prostitution. The entire traditional conservative society was predicated on forced scarcity for women in order to corral them into transactional relationships for the profit of the men. It’s why conservative men are so desperate to win the modern culture war.
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Jan 28 2022 04:21pm
One of the minors, per a text message from Lazzaro himself, was 15. That same 15-year-old he attempted to buy her silence with alcohol and cash.

That said, if the minors crossed state lines to meet Lazzaro then federal law is invoked and subsequently the age of consent becomes 18 anyway.
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Jan 28 2022 04:45pm
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why are right wingers just a bunch of cringe incels and pedophile(s/ defenders)?


rich coming from antifa islam lover.
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Jan 28 2022 04:51pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 28 2022 04:21pm)
One of the minors, per a text message from Lazzaro himself, was 15. That same 15-year-old he attempted to buy her silence with alcohol and cash.

That said, if the minors crossed state lines to meet Lazzaro then federal law is invoked and subsequently the age of consent becomes 18 anyway.


The documents I had read said she was 16;
https://www.twincities.com/2021/09/07/lawsuit-gop-donor-offered-money-to-hush-girl-he-trafficked/
right from the top of the filing "This is a case arising out of the sex trafficking of a 16-year-old minor by a politically-connected and wealthy adult, Anton "Tony" Lazzaro."
So if I'm understanding it right, the federal sex trafficking charges here require exchange of sex for money, otherwise it would fall to state law where the age of consent is 16. And typically the statute being prosecuted 'normally' involves the use of coercion or force, ie for pimps

specifically it alleges:

"In approximately May of 2020, Plaintiff Minor Doe was 16 years of age. At about this time, Medina recruited Minor Doe to meet Lazzaro"
That particular filing has to do with the back-and-forth over the NDA and hush money. She claims it was coercion to silence her, he claims he was extorted and that she demanded money. Supposedly there are text messages that would make it more clear

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 28 2022 04:54pm
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Jan 28 2022 04:59pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 28 Jan 2022 22:25)
https://www.startribune.com/state-gop-operative-charged-with-sex-trafficking-minors-claims-feds-targeted-him-for-being-rich/600140320/?refresh=true

There's been something of an interesting development in a side story to the Ilhan Omar saga now that court filings are laid out.
Last year a GOP donor and operative in Minnesota was arrested under lurid charges of child sex trafficking, just hours after he posted a website unveiling purported DNA evidence that he and his operatives had obtained by traveling to Kenya, claiming to prove with DNA that Ilhan Omar's former husband Ahmed Nur Said Elmi was indeed her biological brother. It was quite the timing as he unveiled this story only to be immediately brought up on pedophilia charges, and shook up the state GOP, leading to the eventual resignation of Jennifer Carnahan, the GOP state chair who had been supported by this donor.

Now the facts of the case are out and its a bit more nuanced. What apparently is uncontested is that 31 year old Anton Lazzaro went on dates with girls in the 16-17 year range who he met through the sugar-baby website Seeking Arrangement (and a girl he met on it who introduced him to her friends), and that he had bought valuable gifts for them while shopping like cell phones, vape pens, a prada purse, etc. The age of consent in Minnesota is 16, making them of legal age normally. The state's indictment claims that Lazzaro was exchanging these gifts for sex as a form of prostitution, thereby making it ipso facto illegal sexual activity, and that because it was prostitution across state lines it can be charged as federal sex trafficking which has an age of consent of 18, thereby making it child sex trafficking. The defense has claimed that the girls were approached by government agents and 'convinced' that their consensual activities were actually prostitution after the fact, and that one girl attempted to extort him with a demand of $1000 in hush money by text message, which he offered to pay in exchange for a non-disclosure agreement, and that he is being targeted for political reasons and wealth.

The defense points out that there seems to be no precedent in all US federal case law for the government to charge a young man for engaging in consensual sexual activity with a girl of legal age based on the theory that giving her gifts makes it constitute a commercial sex act. I don't know if that claim is true or not, but it seems pretty jarring that this theory would criminalize... a lot of relationships. If a man buys a woman some jewelry or cosmetics or clothing while on a date at the mall and then goes home and they fuck consensually, is he now a john? Is she a prostitute? Under the eyes of the law, until this case was filed, they weren't. But the prosecution in this case is arguing that gift giving makes otherwise consensual sex into commerce, which is implicitly illegal regardless of age.
And of course, this overreach just happened to very conspicuously occur in the extreme far-left prosecutors office led by Keith "E Hakim" Ellison at the same time the guy was trying to prove Ilhan Omar married her own brother with DNA evidence, down to the hour.

So what's the difference between a date and a prostitute?


It might or might not be a legal grey area, but morally, the case is crystal clear if you ask me: when expensive gifts are the explicit reason a young girl goes on a "date" with an older, rich man and this arrangement was made formal beforehand by meeting via a well-known escort or sugar daddy site, then the intent of engaging in the act of prostitution by both sides is undeniable.

Making gifts during a regular date is normal, having a "date" specifically because you promised the girl expensive gifts is prostitution. In practice, it might often times be difficult to prove that a date hinged on the promise of payment via gifts, but this case right here seems dry and cut.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 28 2022 05:00pm
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Jan 28 2022 05:04pm
Republicans: Quick look at that Muslim over there who married her own brother while I fuck this minor!

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Jan 28 2022 05:11pm
People on this forum will twist themselves into knots to defend pedos if they're republican.
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Jan 28 2022 05:36pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 28 2022 02:51pm)
The documents I had read said she was 16;
https://www.twincities.com/2021/09/07/lawsuit-gop-donor-offered-money-to-hush-girl-he-trafficked/
right from the top of the filing "This is a case arising out of the sex trafficking of a 16-year-old minor by a politically-connected and wealthy adult, Anton "Tony" Lazzaro."
So if I'm understanding it right, the federal sex trafficking charges here require exchange of sex for money, otherwise it would fall to state law where the age of consent is 16. And typically the statute being prosecuted 'normally' involves the use of coercion or force, ie for pimps

specifically it alleges:

"In approximately May of 2020, Plaintiff Minor Doe was 16 years of age. At about this time, Medina recruited Minor Doe to meet Lazzaro"
That particular filing has to do with the back-and-forth over the NDA and hush money. She claims it was coercion to silence her, he claims he was extorted and that she demanded money. Supposedly there are text messages that would make it more clear


News article I've read include an actual (alleged) quote from Lazzaro in which he himself states that one of the minors is/was 15:

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"...after law enforcement officers raided Lazzaro’s home, Lazzaro allegedly sent a message to another of his alleged victims “basically saying, ‘I didn’t realize you were 15. I’m sorry … [P]lease don’t say anything.’” Lazzaro is then accused of enlisting Medina and her boyfriend to reach out to that victim at her workplace and buy her silence with “a bottle of alcohol and cash,” court documents state."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/04/republican-political-operative-sex-trafficking/

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Jan 28 2022 05:36pm
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