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Dec 7 2021 02:11pm
he's not fundamentally wrong with his analysis (after all it's based on actual scientific studies) - it's generally correct that highly educated people are having fewer (and later) children.

in typical musk fashion, however, his conclusions are somewhat simplistic and tone deaf, as he (unsurprisingly) fails to realise that people like him - unapologetic advocates, beneficiaries, and exploiters of certain economic systems and mechanisms - bear a main responsibility for not only those fears, but also the struggles and pressures (financial / societal / time) of having (more) children.
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Dec 7 2021 02:11pm
We live in an era where the man championing electric cars has been branded as an enemy to climate change action. i dont take reporting on elon musk as anything regardless of the headline.
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Quote (LiquidZinc @ Dec 7 2021 12:06pm)
Seems like he was saying the planet needs more of a certain type of people.


And ya know, not more shitty assholes who dont care about anyone but themselves. CUZ THATS ONLY BLACK PEOPLE AMIRITE!

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Posting in a future Stormfront thread.


I was gonna say this back when it was only 1 post but I decided not to. I was wrong to do so.
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Dec 7 2021 10:22pm
Quote (Jupe @ Dec 7 2021 12:10pm)
but the stock market gamer


Can you please explain this to me?

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Dec 7 2021 10:24pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 7 2021 02:06pm)
He right on two points and wrong on the third one:


- a too rapidly declining population is indeed a threat to civilization
- smart people having less children on average than dumb people is indeed a problem and creating dysgenic effects
- he is dead wrong when he says that the planet needs more people/doesn't need a reduction of its human population


The bold is false and mostly stems from normies misinterpreting the concept of heritability in statistics.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Dec 7 2021 10:25pm
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Dec 7 2021 10:28pm
Quote (LiquidZinc @ 7 Dec 2021 12:02)
Seriously, Musk should know better. the exact same thing happend in South Africa. Apartheid ended and it became Wakanda, no?


:rofl:
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Dec 7 2021 10:31pm
but dont tax my 300 billion dollars net worth to meet any of the needs society faces
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Dec 7 2021 10:38pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 8 Dec 2021 05:24)
The bold is false and mostly stems from normies misinterpreting the concept of heritability in statistics.


If intelligence is heritable to a non-negligible degree, which afaik is the current state of science, how can differential birth rates between groups of different intelligence not have this effect?

If intelligence was just random fluctuation around the same baseline, such that we could expect reversion to the mean to eat up all the difference that existed in the parent generation, then intelligence wouldn't be heritable to begin with.




Also, it's not just about intelligence, it's also about upbringing, education, manners, mores, culture. On average, parents from the professional class will raise their children better than trailer park trash or ghetto thugs. Their children will , on average, use whatever potential they are born with to a greater degree than children raised in highly suboptimal conditions. When people who could provide perfect conditions for raising productive members of society decide to go childless instead, a ton of potential is squandered.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 7 2021 10:38pm)
If intelligence is heritable to a non-negligible degree, which afaik is the current state of science, how can differential birth rates between groups of different intelligence not have this effect?

If intelligence was just random fluctuation around the same baseline, such that we could expect reversion to the mean to eat up all the difference that existed in the parent generation, then intelligence wouldn't be heritable to begin with.

Also, it's not just about intelligence, it's also about upbringing, education, manners, mores, culture. On average, parents from the professional class will raise their children better than trailer park trash or ghetto thugs. Their children will , on average, use whatever potential they are born with to a greater degree than children raised in highly suboptimal conditions. When people who could provide perfect conditions for raising productive members of society decide to go childless instead, a ton of potential is squandered.


Intelligence is heritable, but that doesn't mean it's genetic, and even if it is genetic that doesn't speak at all to the prevalence of gene combinations that produce higher intelligence in the general population.

Heritability just means "passes from one generation to the next". Doesn't mean "Genetically heritable". Living conditions are heritable, tendency to have piercings is heritable, etc. etc.

To have a dysgenic effect you would have to show that the current breeding patterns result in propagation of disadvantageous gene combinations, which has never been anywhere close to demonstrated. The current state of the literature is that upbringing has a much higher impact on intelligence. You can move your intelligence by like a full standard deviation by just being on an empty stomach and having money trouble.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 8 2021 12:38pm)
If intelligence is heritable to a non-negligible degree, which afaik is the current state of science, how can differential birth rates between groups of different intelligence not have this effect?

If intelligence was just random fluctuation around the same baseline, such that we could expect reversion to the mean to eat up all the difference that existed in the parent generation, then intelligence wouldn't be heritable to begin with.




Also, it's not just about intelligence, it's also about upbringing, education, manners, mores, culture. On average, parents from the professional class will raise their children better than trailer park trash or ghetto thugs. Their children will , on average, use whatever potential they are born with to a greater degree than children raised in highly suboptimal conditions. When people who could provide perfect conditions for raising productive members of society decide to go childless instead, a ton of potential is squandered.


People are free to make that decision. Nothing wrong with being single or married and childless. At the same time the new trend of well off people not having children is usually due to a greater sense of self serving.
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