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Nov 12 2021 06:01pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/11/us/politics/project-veritas-journalism-political-spying.html
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1458977885834801160
https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1458985999812415544

Less than an hour after the FBI raided the home of Project Veritas journalists, the NYT was tipped off and reporting on it. Even though it was the middle of the night, and nobody could have told them except the SDNY themselves
Well, the NYT just published privileged communications between PV journalists and their lawyers that were seized by the SDNY
PV sought judicial intervention and a federal judge signed an emergency order that forbids the FBI from seizing any more privileged files from PV devices
Like magic, the barrier of attorney-client privilege was pierced when the FBI raids their homes and seizes their documents and stomps all over the 1st amendment, and then the NYT is suddenly publishing those documents which have somehow been leaked.

So to review.
The SDNY/FBI raided the homes of journalists for journalism clearly protected under the 1st amendment and the supreme court precedent very ironically set in the NYT v US case. Then the SDNY/NYT immediately leaked the raid to the NYT, and when ordered not to seize more files, leaked the files to the NYT
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Nov 12 2021 06:46pm
https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1458971358772219908

And furthermore: The NYT is already in litigation with PV
So after PV sued the NYT for defamation, the SDNY had the FBI raid PV, then steal privileged attorney-client communications from PV devices and leaked them to the NYT
Now the NYT has the legal memos between PV and their lawyers that are suing them. And of course, the excuse used to raid PV in the first place is that they received leaked materials, except in their case they refused to publish them.
The NYT is actually publishing privileged communications from an adverse party in the suit against them

But no worries, there isn't a judge in all of New York City that wouldn't convict a republican of jaywalking and wouldn't excuse a democrat for cannibalism.
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Nov 12 2021 10:23pm
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You were getting to the point that leftist have no principals.

The aclu along with countless institutions have become tools for the Democrats to use against anything they at least slightly disagree with.

Now returning to how they have no principals, this is translated for real people into they use these institutions to disrupt anything that gets in the way of their agenda.


Principle not principal. Spelling is not hard.
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Nov 13 2021 08:40pm
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/13/raid-veritas-okeefe-biden-press-521307

Politico seems to be the first MSM leftie outlet to even have an inkling of integrity on this story.
Interestingly, their expert they interviewed was from the U of M law offices which is pretty close to home here;

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“This is just beyond belief,” said University of Minnesota law professor Jane Kirtley, a former executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. “I’m not a big fan of Project Veritas, but this is just over the top. I hope they get a serious reprimand from the court because I think this is just wrong.”
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Kirtley, the Minnesota law professor, warned against denying legal protections to Project Veritas based on its political outlook or its tactics. She also noted that Trump repeatedly accused mainstream media outlets of both unethical practices and of having a political ax to grind.

“Trump’s been saying that about the New York Times for seven years,” she said. “It’s very dangerous to try to categorize people doing journalistic-type work, even if they’re not doing it the way I would do it or the way the mainstream media would do it or the way ethical journalists would do it,” Kirtley said.

Another First Amendment advocate, Trevor Timm of the Freedom of the Press Foundation, also said the raids on Project Veritas were worrying.

“I don't personally like Project Veritas at all, but imagine this was a liberal org under Trump. Not a good precedent,” he wrote on Twitter.
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Nov 14 2021 12:30am
When you admit in court to doctoring videos on purpose you are no longer a journalist.

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Nov 14 2021 12:51am
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When you admit in court to doctoring videos on purpose you are no longer a journalist.

so all of nbc and their staff are no longer journalists? they went to court and defended themselves for doctoring videos

https://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2013/08/manipulation-by-the-media-lessons-to-be-learned-from-zimmerman-v-nbc/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/trayvon-martin-edited-911-call-george-zimmerman-nbc-news-307399/amp/

https://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit/index.html
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Nov 14 2021 02:34am
time stamp in url;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxACG7nBKOc&t=5853s



Tim Pool went hard. Maybe he's one of the few civil libertarians out there, maybe its just him, me and alan dershowitz
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Nov 14 2021 07:53am
And here's the "liberal" take:
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1459865929161101317

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What people must understand is that this anger is all manufactured
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understand that it’s both nonsense and a drumbeat intended to foment new violence.


We've repeated the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments.
Anyone critical of this decision is just being riled up by propaganda, a violent white supremacist, and should be dealt with by force. Also you're completely hyperbolic :^)
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Nov 14 2021 04:03pm
aaaand finally, a week later, the ACLU issues its half-hearted comment, prefacing itself with all the weaselly outs it can;
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-comment-fbi-raid-project-veritas-founder

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“Project Veritas has engaged in disgraceful deceptions, and reasonable observers might not consider their activities to be journalism at all. Nevertheless, the precedent set in this case could have serious consequences for press freedom. Unless the government had good reason to believe that Project Veritas employees were directly involved in the criminal theft of the diary, it should not have subjected them to invasive searches and seizures. We urge the court to appoint a special master to ensure that law enforcement officers review only those materials that were lawfully seized and that are directly relevant to a legitimate criminal investigation.”


No condemnation, no calling out the obvious violations of the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments. No comment on how they leaked to the NYT privileged communications. Just a call for a 'special master', you know, that paper thin pretense of legitimacy that allows them to continue leaking freely while lying to a judge. After they pierced attorney client privilege and gave memos to an adverse party in ongoing legal proceedings. Imagine if Planned Parenthood was to abortion rights what the ACLU is to civil liberties. Imagine Planned Parenthood responding to the Texas abortion law by saying dumb sluts should stop getting knocked up, but they should get access to adoption services while awaiting their forced births.
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Nov 14 2021 09:09pm
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aaaand finally, a week later, the ACLU issues its half-hearted comment, prefacing itself with all the weaselly outs it can;
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-comment-fbi-raid-project-veritas-founder



No condemnation, no calling out the obvious violations of the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments. No comment on how they leaked to the NYT privileged communications. Just a call for a 'special master', you know, that paper thin pretense of legitimacy that allows them to continue leaking freely while lying to a judge. After they pierced attorney client privilege and gave memos to an adverse party in ongoing legal proceedings. Imagine if Planned Parenthood was to abortion rights what the ACLU is to civil liberties. Imagine Planned Parenthood responding to the Texas abortion law by saying dumb sluts should stop getting knocked up, but they should get access to adoption services while awaiting their forced births.


They stated facts, project veritas are not journalists, they are con artists, these protections are for journalists, con artists are not covered.

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Everyone involved should have seen jail time and been fired.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Nov 14 2021 09:11pm
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