Quote (fender @ Sep 23 2021 08:38am)
so you identify as right wing conspiratard? here are some arguments you might struggle with:
a decision to not get the covid vaccine doesn't just affect yourself. decent people are dying because hospitals are filled with unvaccinated morons - it also increases the chance of potentially dangerous mutations of the virus.
lmk, multi.
Your first problem is assuming you even know my positions on these issues - so you're already deep in the red in having to have me school you on how to be a normal human being who debates outside of his echo chamber.
Not everyone is either "Right wing" or "left wing" - nor do these terms have explicit meaning ubiquitously across the world. My interpretation of what it means to be right wing may be drastically different than yours. You for instance, probably assume right wingers are also tangential to white supremacy and nationalism - I for one, hate what America has become and think it has absolutely nothing to be proud of.. but still for largely different reasons than yours.
Now, about vaccines: I actually support them - while not supporting them.
I think that vaccines should be administered only to the degenerate - people who fit into these catagories:
Obese, smoker, diabeetus, bad sleep / insomniacs, people who experience high viral load on a daily basis (sluts), people with bad lungs and otherwise immunocompromised people. I recommend immediate vaccination for every person who suffers these afflictions, so you're wrong.
To my next point: No, my choosing not to have the vaccine does not affect others - because I am hyper aware of when I become symptomatic and will simply stay home when I experience symptoms of Covid. And if you think you can remedy my argument by claiming that an asymptomatic person can still spread Covid, to that I would say - so can you with your vaccine. Next?
Lastly, about you alluding to the facile claim that its Covid causing healthcare overload.. this is just willful ignorance of the facts of how the healthcare system works. The truth is that hospitals have and always will exist in a state of perpetual overload - that is quite simply what they are intended to do - what is the point of having a large number of hospital beds if you don't use them? Hospitals ALWAYS operate at 85%+ capacity and that isn't suddenly a tragedy just because Covid now exists. The truth is that most of the Covid patients (vaccinated or otherwise) who enter ICUs or even die, were suffering from other afflictions that caused Covid to be exasperated. The vast majority (And I'm claiming 95% here) of dead Covid patients had one or a combination of the co morbidities I listed above (see my point about supporting vaccines and degenerate people.)
Only 5% of people who were admitted to hospital and inevitably died from Covid could be said to have died from having had Covid alone.