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Sep 14 2021 06:11pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 14 2021 12:34am)
reality of your idea in implementation - cept with measles
would you consider reevaluating your position on vaccines being optional?

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After two doses, the measles vaccine is 99% effective at preventing measles. That is far more effective than any of the covid vaccines are against the delta variant. We're talking about apples and oranges. We are never going to get to zero covid.
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Sep 14 2021 06:32pm
while I agree the antivaxxers are dumb af and this should be true we must remember there are the vulnerable that physically can not get the vaccine because of allergies or treatments (chemo) that interact negatively with the vaccine.
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Sep 14 2021 08:21pm
I got my flu shot for the first time in 16 years yesterday. It's gonna be a shitty winter. Nurses and CNAs are quitting frequently here in Sin City. It won't be a good time to go to the hospital if you need help.
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Sep 15 2021 02:54am
sounds alright
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Sep 15 2021 10:08am
Quote (Calipso @ Sep 14 2021 07:21pm)
I got my flu shot for the first time in 16 years yesterday. It's gonna be a shitty winter. Nurses and CNAs are quitting frequently here in Sin City. It won't be a good time to go to the hospital if you need help.



you should have gotten them for 16 years, then you wouldn't have gotten one this year.
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Sep 15 2021 10:14am
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 14 2021 07:11pm)
After two doses, the measles vaccine is 99% effective at preventing measles. That is far more effective than any of the covid vaccines are against the delta variant. We're talking about apples and oranges. We are never going to get to zero covid.


We had a chance to, as a species, basically kill Covid. We failed. We caved to private interests instead of releasing vaccine formulations to the third world. We didn't stop spread in our own countries so forget about helping less capable countries to mask and control it. Only a few countries implemented good contact tracing programs.

We just failed as a species to contain something that could have been contained pretty easily if everybody had gotten on board.
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Sep 15 2021 10:47am
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We had a chance to, as a species, basically kill Covid. We failed. We caved to private interests instead of releasing vaccine formulations to the third world. We didn't stop spread in our own countries so forget about helping less capable countries to mask and control it. Only a few countries implemented good contact tracing programs.

We just failed as a species to contain something that could have been contained pretty easily if everybody had gotten on board.


You should mention that it was China which wasted the only chance we had to eradicate the virus. Once it had spread around the globe in February 2020, it was too late for that. Even a coordinated, global total lockdown - which would have come with unimaginable economic costs and is purely hypothetical anyway in the absence of a world government - would probably have failed at that point in time, considering how easily the virus spreads to other species. With all kinds of animals being able to serve as a reservoir for the virus, total elimination was no longer possible by that point.

I'm also sceptical if Europe/NA could have achieved the same degree of control over the spread/low case numbers as, say, South Korea (which is a de facto island) with contact tracing alone, i.e. without having to resort to perpetual lockdowns.




So, tldr, I completely disagree with your characterization of covid as something that "could have been contained pretty easily". A novel virus which is highly contagious, airborne and capable of pre- and asymptomatic spread is pretty much the worst case scenario for containment.

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Sep 15 2021 10:52am
- Lifting restrictions AFTER your 6 months
- It's too late
- profit
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considering how easily the virus spreads to other species. With all kinds of animals being able to serve as a reservoir for the virus, total elimination was no longer possible by that point.


Please cite some scientific literature to support this. I haven't heard of any identified resevoirs for Sars-Cov-2
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Sep 15 2021 11:40am
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Please cite some scientific literature to support this. I haven't heard of any identified resevoirs for Sars-Cov-2


they had that ferret outbreak, but otherwise i havent heard of rampant cross species jumps.
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