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Sep 12 2021 11:34am
Quote (EndlessSky @ 12 Sep 2021 17:21)


rofl Prager U quoting Moscow Paul
Constitution is defined to make a strong, united, fair, country.

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To be clear, the "militia" at the time of the 2nd Amendment was “all able-bodied male citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied males who have . . . declared their intention to become citizens of the United States,” who were aged 16-45. Noting that average lifespans were much much lower, at that time, those over the age of 45 were considered elderly. If you look up the age range, some today are saying it's between 18-45, but that's not correct for that time. If you were to look at it by today's laws, you'd have to look at state restrictions, so 18+ would be more accurate, or even 21+ in some states.

Likewise, "regulated" in that form doesn't mean "legislated" or "commanded". "Regulated" meant trained or learned or experienced. Effectively, pre-revolutionary war, there weren't generally "standing militias". When you "call up" a militia you're effectively conscripting the able bodied males. The problem is, if those you call up have never handled a weapon and don't own a weapon of their own, they aren't particularly useful. In order to make them useful, you have to arm them, then you have to train them in how to use their weapons, THEN you have to train them on how to perform their battlefield duties. Not very effective when combatting sudden attack.

Keeping in mind that a standing federal military wasn't intended to be a thing at the founding of the nation, due to the risk of turning Presidents into dictators, and state-based standing armies were only intended to be minor at most, all of this makes a huge amount of sense. Unfortunately, we've gone all out on having a federal military, which takes most military activity powers away from the states, and has effectively removed most forms of heavier armament from the hands of citizens.
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Sep 12 2021 11:47am
To me, the obvious interpretation is that the Founding Fathers only wanted militias to have muskets that were in working order. All other firearms fall under the 10th amendment. Because the amendments are ranked in order (1st being the most important, 2nd being the next, etc.) it seems to me that anyone who is in a right-wing militia is breaking the law by owning firearms besides muskets.
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Sep 12 2021 11:57am
Quote (penguinhero @ 12 Sep 2021 16:09)
A right to bear arms, unless you are black. Slaves, free blacks, or other. Black people also weren’t able to become U.S. citizens, even those born within the country.

An argument behind the origin of the second amendment was that it was used as a way to keep the black people suppressed.

What was the purpose of a militia? Washington knew militias were flakey at best and weren’t very reliable when fighting the British. If you look at some of the history behind it militias were used by the state as a way to hunt down and control runaway slaves and a slave uprising.

And you’re right, the amendment was COMPLETELY butchered and left vague to appease the states in the south. It was written vague as a bargaining chip to get the southern states to join the union.


That is the main problem, behind Muh Militias we have a rampant fascism and totalitarianism potential. Trump tools are now the proof of it.
In others countries, but the most advanced form of it in US.

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