Do you have any examples of Democratic Senators who do that? What about members of the House?

did you just wake up from a 75 year coma?

https://www.finance.senate.gov/about/membership

Which of these Democrats would you classify as corporatist?

you're terrible at reading between the lines. guess i'll have to give you the trump sharpie version: when i asked you about waking up from a long coma, i was just kidding by implying that only someone completely out of the loop would seriously be unaware of this - i hoped you'd be smart enough to realise that i identified your strategy to deny the obvious, and refused to even go there.

it's a pointless exercise anyway. even the best pivot or gotcha argument you could possibly imagine wouldn't refute the fact that establishment democrats take generous corporate donations and return the investment in the form of favourable legislation. that's not a conspiracy, not a fringe radical theory, it's not even a secret.

if you absolutely insist on having an example to play your dumb little "technically not illegal - you can't prove he did that because of the donations since there is no written contract that both signed, also those things just align based on shared "values" (even though many if not most donors happily bribe both sides) all the time, nothing about this is shady or inappropriate" game, just take biden and mbna, resulting in multiple attempts to repeal bankruptcy protection for citizens (amongst other bank and credit card company friendly legislation he sponsored throughout the decades), eventually resulting in bapcpa, one of the main drivers of the student debt crisis.

the difference between us is that you somehow deluded yourself into thinking that is fine / normal / acceptable / actually a good thing - when in reality it's the reason you keep getting involved in trillion dollar wars, it's why you have that shitty expensive healthcare system, an opioid epidemic, a private prison industry and the highest incarceration rate worldwide, worker / consumer protection that resemble 3rd world countries, billionaires that pay no taxes, the aforementioned student debt crisis... the list goes on...

I'm not trying to trick you or catch you in any sort of inconsistency. Rather, I'm trying to ensure that we're working in a framework where we don't make lazy claims and have a Ghot level of conversation.

Anyway, you made a claim that Corporatist Democrats are "those that take big dollar donations from corporate interest and in return draft / sponsor / support legislation that benefits those donors." I chose the Senate Finance committee because I figured you'd find someone there objectionable based on your definition. Which Democrat members do you find objectionable on that committee and which legislation have they sponsored that meets your definition of "legal corruption?" We can limit the search to the Senate since there are only 50 Democrats.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Planned Parenthood donating to candidates in hopes of getting abortion rights legislation passed? What about the NRA? Are you against Tesla lobbying politicians in hopes of getting clean vehicle tax credits through Congress?

In Biden's case, how do you reconcile the fact that many of his constituents WORKED for MBNA? At what point are you representing your constituents vs. being corrupt?

This post was edited by thundercock on Sep 7 2021 03:07am

Way to rage via pm about not wanting let women to kill her own child

just out of interest, how many of biden's delaware constituents do you think worked for mbna as opposed to those who did not and would have preferred to have better bankruptcy protection? what a silly point to make - not that it's even relevant to begin with, because the legalised bribery is taking the money and then doing their bidding, regardless of how many people they happen to employ.

that whole post is you clumsily setting up the old "good cause" versus "bad cause" argument, suggesting they even remotely cancel each other out (yeah right, the powerful consumer protection industry, big anti private prison, and peace lobby are notoriously generous political donors, lol) when my whole point is that NO corporation (or rich individual), no matter if i personally support them or not, should have that kind of access and influence - since it predictably (and demonstrably) leads to a corporate monopoly on legislation.

you can't avoid that conclusion, all you can do is continue to pretend it's not a bad thing, when all the consequences i listed in my previous post are proof of the opposite.

democrats have run san francisco for decades and its the model for inequality. yet the hilariously dumb lefties in here still dont see that liberalism is grift and want to elect more of them.

Enjoy bipartisme btw. I guess saying democrats are all caviar left is convenient when you are a dishonest person.

poignant and poetic as always.