It's normal to take disproportionate losses when you are pushing against defenders, and when you have overwhelming force it's foolish to let up on high casualties if the opponent can't sustain their ranks and you can.

The U.S. role in WW2 was much more significant in the Pacific. We didn't really win WW2 in Europe but we definitely helped.

cant win a war against people you dont even consider human? about what one could expect from the military leadership post 1952

We've won most of our wars. Outside of Vietnam, which did we "lose?"

The Civil War, depending on who you ask.

we won the ones that mattered way back. since then well what vietnan L, desert storm W, iraq and afghanistan are definitely Ls . wars of attrition in the middle east, the land of neverendingwars for 4000 years, is never a good idea

We just spent 20+ years tactically masturbating in the Middle-East for literally no gain what so ever.

And yes, we got shredded by the Asians in Vietnam - it wasn't even close. America was fighting superstitious pigmies who were using 18th century tech at a 150IQ level - and lost.

Its also hard to call WW2 a victory, because is it really victory when we consider that Germany is a comparatively tiny nation that was fighting pretty much everybody? America lost - from a tactical perspective, yes.. they technically leaned enough weight on the Germans to cause them to collapse, but many historians are in full agreement that if Hitler weren't so reckless, the war would have gone far differently - likely resulting in an American defeat, or at least a stalemate where America could never invade Europe.





And yeah I definitely agree with this. The attacker will always take disproportionate losses and that was to be expected, but Eisenhower's deceit of the men under his command was appalling - he should have been marshaled for convincing them that they would be protected at Normandy, instead of being thrown into a meat grinder of attrition. This kind of arrogance plagues the command of the US military and can only result in a loss against a foe like China, who would use all of the same asymmetrical tactics that crushed us in Vietnam, except with the backing of a super power's economy and numbers.

How did we lose the Iraq War? Saddam is gone and his party has no power. Al Qaeda in Iraq has been vanquished and while ISIS came about after we left, they were ultimately defeated after we redeployed troops. Maybe I'm overlooking something but it seems like we accomplished all of our military objectives there. I think the only thing that you could consider a "loss" is that Iraq now aligns with Iran a bit more but it's a 60+% majority Shiite country...it's kinda to be expected?

In Afghanistan, we toppled the Taliban incredibly quickly and Al Qaeda no longer has the ability to train for large scale operations. Afghanistan has had parliamentary elections for over 15 years now.

Now, you could argue that the wars weren't WORTH it but that doesn't mean they were losses. In Vietnam, while we had absolutely decimated the country, we did not achieve our objectives which was to contain the Communists.

we are still in these eternal warzones and our country is divided sharply along this subject. and they’re still warzones. did America’s position improve or the world made a better place because of our engagements.

sadam? come on did sadam blow us up on 9/11? he probably knew what was coming but guess what we had a chance to take out the mastermind of it years prior and the guy in charge was too busy doing laps around the intern pool.

1941-1945 what was the sentiment and what was the outcome? our people were lying about their age to go kick ass against evil. what was the result? clear and present victory. what happened after? a rebuilding of former enemies western europe and japan (you’re all welcome by the way) who became allies

poll any random 100 people in a major us city and 100 around some us farming towns its going to be a strong if not substantial majority saying we lost the wars but sure yay we won some of the individual battles that took place for iraq and afghanistan

e: lets your your example: who surrendered to us in 1918? empires who were on the verge of taking over the world. 1945? empires and reichs on the verge of taking over the world. now in iraq and afghanistan? some damn “slur led” militias operating out of caves on the verge of taking over some other cave.

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 24 2021 10:48pm

fraud leftie plays the race card

looks like its a good time to bump this

who called it

This post was edited by TiStuff on Sep 14 2021 06:41pm