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Mar 28 2021 08:45pm
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It's changed over the last 3-4 years

I remember Jordan Peterson getting backlash for not calling someone by their he/she/they etc because He knew what was coming if society sided with it


You remember incorrectly. Jordan Peterson lied about a Canadian law after being corrected multiple times. He claimed the law would outlaw misgendering people when it really outlawed intentional and malicious misgendering in the workplace as a form of workplace harassment.

It may have expanded over the past 3-4 years, but it's included the T since I was in high school, which was over 10 years ago and before gays even got the right to marry.
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Mar 28 2021 08:49pm
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You remember incorrectly. Jordan Peterson lied about a Canadian law after being corrected multiple times. He claimed the law would outlaw misgendering people when it really outlawed intentional and malicious misgendering in the workplace as a form of workplace harassment.

It may have expanded over the past 3-4 years, but it's included the T since I was in high school, which was over 10 years ago and before gays even got the right to marry.


how did he lie? he said he didn't like the wording of the law


when I was in High School in Toronto, someone came to school for a full week as trans, no one cared
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how did he lie? he said he didn't like the wording of the law

when I was in High School in Toronto, someone came to school for a full week as trans, no one cared


He claimed many times that the law would open the door to suing over any instance of misgendering, he was corrected dozens of times, and to this day maintains that's the intention of the law.

Jordan Peterson is a grifter.
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Mar 28 2021 09:08pm
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i thought this would've been taken down but it seems like the canadian sjw's are standing by this nonsense along with the verbiage

https://www.cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/cancer-type/prostate/prostate-cancer/?region=on
The prostate is part of a man’s reproductive and urinary systems. It is a walnut-sized gland just below the bladder and in front of the rectum. It surrounds part of the urethra, which is the tube that carries urine and semen through the penis. The prostate makes mucus and prostatic fluid, which mix with sperm and other fluids to make semen.

https://www.cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/cancer-type/cervical/cervical-cancer/the-cervix/?region=on
The cervix is part of the female reproductive system. The female reproductive system is made up of internal organs, including the vagina, uterus, ovaries and fallopian tubes. It is also made up of the external genital organs, including the parts that make up the vulva (the clitoris, vaginal lips and opening to the vagina). All the internal organs are located in the pelvis, which is the lower part of the abdomen between the hip bones.
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Mar 28 2021 09:18pm
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Or... They've always been part if the same Alliance. Ya know, the T in lgbt


This is a blatant falsehood. The movement started out as one of homosexual men; lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people had to fight for formal recognition and inclusion in the movement. It took over 20 years since the Stonewall riots until transgender people were officially included in the terminology of core activists, when the term 'LGB' was expanded to 'LGBT'. It then took another decade, until the 1990s, before the 'LGBT' term became semi-mainstream.

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Mar 28 2021 09:20pm
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This is a blatant falsehood. The movement started out as one of homosexual men; lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people had to fight for formal recognition and inclusion in the movement. It took over 20 years since the Stonewall riots until the transgender people were officially included in the terminology of core activists, when the term 'LGB' was expanded to 'LGBT'. It then took another decade, until the 1990s, until the 'LGBT' term had become semi-mainstream.


I think you should go back and read over your previous argument, because this post destroys it lol.

Sure, they weren't "always" part of the aliance, but they were part of the alliance 20-30 years before gay people even got the right to marry, so the characterization that the "think tanks achieved all of its goals and had to come up with a new adjacent discrimination" is false.
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Mar 28 2021 09:54pm
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I think you should go back and read over your previous argument, because this post destroys it lol.

Sure, they weren't "always" part of the aliance, but they were part of the alliance 20-30 years before gay people even got the right to marry, so the characterization that the "think tanks achieved all of its goals and had to come up with a new adjacent discrimination" is false.


1. the think tanks were putting their focus on gay rights issues and only threw their full force behind trans issues when their original field was exhausted.
2. without the much larger gay rights movement, these institutions would never have been as big and influential. Trans rights are an absolute niche issue which could never have spurred such a powerful advocacy network on its own.

I'll give you that my wording was sloppy, I shouldnt have written "... they came up with a new discrimination". The correct way of phrasing it would have been "when gay marriage was passed, the activists and think tanks had to put a new type of sexual-identity based discrimination front and center and convince the public of its importance". Regardless, the core of my argument remains valid.
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Mar 28 2021 09:58pm
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i thought this would've been taken down but it seems like the canadian sjw's are standing by this nonsense along with the verbiage

https://www.cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/cancer-type/prostate/prostate-cancer/?region=on
The prostate is part of a man’s reproductive and urinary systems. It is a walnut-sized gland just below the bladder and in front of the rectum. It surrounds part of the urethra, which is the tube that carries urine and semen through the penis. The prostate makes mucus and prostatic fluid, which mix with sperm and other fluids to make semen.

https://www.cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/cancer-type/cervical/cervical-cancer/the-cervix/?region=on
The cervix is part of the female reproductive system.The female reproductive system is made up of internal organs, including the vagina, uterus, ovaries and fallopian tubes. It is also made up of the external genital organs, including the parts that make up the vulva (the clitoris, vaginal lips and opening to the vagina). All the internal organs are located in the pelvis, which is the lower part of the abdomen between the hip bones.


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Mar 28 2021 10:05pm
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1. the think tanks were putting their focus on gay rights issues and only threw their full force behind trans issues when their original field was exhausted.
2. without the much larger gay rights movement, these institutions would never have been as big and influential. Trans rights are an absolute niche issue which could never have spurred such a powerful advocacy network on its own.

I'll give you that my wording was sloppy, I shouldnt have written "... they came up with a new discrimination". The correct way of phrasing it would have been "when gay marriage was passed, the activists and think tanks had to put a new type of sexual-identity based discrimination front and center and convince the public of its importance". Regardless, the core of my argument remains valid.


As long as you acknowledge that they didn't fundamentally change their mission. One part of the alliance accomplished a major goal, so they turned to the next part of the alliance. Pretty normal honestly.
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As long as you acknowledge that they didn't fundamentally change their mission. One part of the alliance accomplished a major goal, so they turned to the next part of the alliance. Pretty normal honestly.


My point still stands that this supposed alliance did not visibly fight for the trans cause with nearly as much ferocity or efficiency while there were still "wins" to achieve on the field of gay rights.

Similarly, my central point, namely that the advocacy network for trans rights is only so influential because it was able to build upon the pre-existing and much larger gay rights network, is both true and an adequate answer to the question thundercock had raised.
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