Being punished in hell is the biggest lie in the religion. We all know the devil just chills and smokes bongs with you while you listen to old black sabbath

I would say that most of the references to hell are metaphorical, to assist listeners in building a mental image, rather than literal descriptions of a place.



Here the description is more one of final death. The chaff are blown away, the wicked shall perish.

I don't think that conflicts with the first quote. An "eternal fire" does not imply that one burns eternally.

Devil is like Sauron: an imaginary character in a fantasy movie.

/e; actually it's simply the refusal of God.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Mar 25 2021 11:09am

You don’t go to heaven by keeping the law, you go to heaven by faith alone.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Though satan and demons can tempt you, that’s not where sin comes from.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Satan has not been cast into hell yet.

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Satan isn’t the warden of hell he is a prisoner

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


This post was edited by Jesus_Lives on Mar 25 2021 11:12am

thank you for the scripture references, i have some questions:

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I take this to mean, when you sin and all men are sinners, you must ask Christ for forgiveness. Believe in his forgiveness, and atone for your sins through Christ. If you do this the sin is washed away from you "record" for lack of a better term, and your eternal salvation is preserved as well as your place in heaven.

Would you agree with this?

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So is Satan is not in hell, but on earth until judgement day? and in Hell you are eternally punished be God himself? or perhaps Hell itself is punishment that God created that manages itself?


This would seem to answer my question in the OP.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 25 2021 11:21am

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Paradist Lost explains this completely.

Gods law is the way.

The devil wasnt thrown out for denying Gods law so much as he was for denying reality.

Satan got kicked out and he did the liberal hamster wheel brain excuse “id rather be a king in hell than a servant in heaven”. In reality he is a puppet either way.

Satan abandoned God’s way along with reality so it only makes sense that nothing else he does truly makes sense in the long term.

Damn, the day me and saucy agree is truly the end of the world

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No, that’s not how it works. You’re saved by faith alone it’s a one time deal. When you understand the gift of God and receive it by faith in Jesus, you’re spirit is reborn as a son of God. There’s nothing that can change your sonship. That’s why it’s called eternal life. It’s not like “I am saved, whoops I sinned better say sorry or I go to hell”.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Notice it’s a gift, bought and paid for by the death, burial, and resurrection of God the Son. By trusting Him your sins are all paid for even the ones you don’t say sorry for.

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

God sees your turning from sins as works. It’s clear we are not saved by works.

Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Our repentance restores our relationship with The Father. It allows us to serve him and please him and we escape his punishments on this earth.

Every good father corrects their children. Our born again spirit doesn’t sin. Our flesh still does that’s why we get a new body not born of Adam at the resurrection.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

As far as number 2 (Satan being allowed on earth until revelations) you are correct.

This post was edited by Jesus_Lives on Mar 25 2021 11:52am

im a bit confused, so you don't sin? im assuming you consider yourself saved. or are you saying when you do sin its god's plan?