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Mar 10 2021 01:49pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 10 2021 01:40pm)
False. The income gained and the productivity and gains of society by both parents working is much higher than only one parent working.

One daycare worker can oversee 20-30 children and help to fast track their education. One parent being paid by the government to stay home to babysit their own 2 children produces nothing but a deficit, societally. And from a personal responsibility perspective, that stay at home parent CHOSE to have THEIR children. The child is THEIR responsibility. Why should the fruits of MY labor be stolen from me to provide for THEM when they are helping nobody but themselves?

Child tax credits to parents where the parent(s) are working full time incentivizes a more productive economy. Child tax credits to stay at home parents incentivizes people not to produce anything for society at all. Why should a person who's not paying taxes gain credit for doing so?


So what you're saying is we should make it illegal to watch your own kids and the government should take over child raising so the parents can work.

I gotta say, I agree. I didn't expect you to have such a reasonable position.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 10 2021 11:40am)
False. The income gained and the productivity and gains of society by both parents working is much higher than only one parent working.

One daycare worker can oversee 20-30 children and help to fast track their education. One parent being paid by the government to stay home to babysit their own 2 children produces nothing but a deficit, societally. And from a personal responsibility perspective, that stay at home parent CHOSE to have THEIR children. The child is THEIR responsibility. Why should the fruits of MY labor be stolen from me to provide for THEM when they are helping nobody but themselves?

Child tax credits to parents where the parent(s) are working full time incentivizes a more productive economy. Child tax credits to stay at home parents incentivizes people not to produce anything for society at all. Why should a person who's not paying taxes gain credit for doing so?

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Mar 10 2021 01:55pm
I personally advocate for a much higher estate tax upon death but almost certainly those with significant wealth would just domacile elsewhere.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 10 2021 01:31pm)
Progressive tax system increasing by 5% starting at the bottom 25th percentile and increasing every 10%.

So if the bottom 25th percentile of earners for the previous year made 25k, you would pay 0% on your first 25k. If the 35th percentile earners made 50k, you would pay 10% on your next 25k. On and up until you get to the 95th percentile which would pay 70%.

Also individual capital gains just gets reported as income and applies the same taxes.



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because stay at home moms shouldnt get the same pay as at work moms. maybe pay them less in a tax credit, i guess they can still have something.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 10 2021 02:47pm)
It is unethical to hoard wealth in a society that gatekeeps well-being behind financial barriers. It's a shame upon our society that hoarding wealth is glorified and something which many people aspire to. There is no reality in which someone can become a billionaire without undue suffering and exploitation.


"Suffering and exploitation" is an odd way to look at individuals engaging in mutually beneficial arrangements. The amount wealth someone has is often a reflection of how hard members of their family have worked to improve the standard of living for members of the household. We're all the same in that regard and some are better at it than others.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 10 Mar 2021 11:49)
So what you're saying is we should make it illegal to watch your own kids and the government should take over child raising so the parents can work.

I gotta say, I agree. I didn't expect you to have such a reasonable position.


Doing great at the stupid today, Thor. Well done! :wacko:

I'm 100% for dual parent households where one parent stays home and cares for hearth, home, and family, and the other is the "provider". However, from an economic standpoint, it's better if both parents play provider, and professionals raise the children en masse . Therefore, to incentivize the economically superior option, you provide tax credits to those willing to leave the raising of their children to strangers. Those who choose the "nuclear family" option take on the personal responsibility of the financial burden. And the single mothers that account for 90% of all welfare payments can simply get fucked. They want to spread their legs, it's their problem. When their children starve because they're too irresponsible to care for them, toss them in jail for child abuse, take the kids away, and stop incentivizing stupid.

This idea of "make it illegal to raise your own kids" is pure trash that only some fat atheist marxist would ever even consider. Make your bed, clean your room, shave, take a fucking shower, get some exercise, and stop trying to one-up everything long enough to attract a mate, maybe you'll gain some basic understanding of what the fuck personal responsibility and children actually mean. Making children is a choice. Grow the fuck up enough to make it responsibly, or shut the fuck up about taking away everyone else's shit in support of it.

Quote (thesnipa @ 10 Mar 2021 11:57)
because stay at home moms shouldnt get the same pay as at work moms. maybe pay them less in a tax credit, i guess they can still have something.


Disagree entirely. They should get nothing. If they don't want to be a stay at home mom, we can incentivize them to work and hand care over to professionals. If they want to be a stay at home mom, then they can focus on themselves with no help at all. If they can't be responsible enough to make either option work? They need to sew their fucking legs shut and stop expecting society to pay for their sex life.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 10 2021 02:02pm
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Doing great at the stupid today, Thor. Well done! :wacko:

I'm 100% for dual parent households where one parent stays home and cares for hearth, home, and family, and the other is the "provider". However, from an economic standpoint, it's better if both parents play provider, and professionals raise the children en masse . Therefore, to incentivize the economically superior option, you provide tax credits to those willing to leave the raising of their children to strangers. Those who choose the "nuclear family" option take on the personal responsibility of the financial burden. And the single mothers that account for 90% of all welfare payments can simply get fucked. They want to spread their legs, it's their problem. When their children starve because they're too irresponsible to care for them, toss them in jail for child abuse, take the kids away, and stop incentivizing stupid.

This idea of "make it illegal to raise your own kids" is pure trash that only some fat atheist marxist would ever even consider. Make your bed, clean your room, shave, take a fucking shower, get some exercise, and stop trying to one-up everything long enough to attract a mate, maybe you'll gain some basic understanding of what the fuck personal responsibility and children actually mean. Making children is a choice. Grow the fuck up enough to make it responsibly, or shut the fuck up about taking away everyone else's shit in support of it.


so so so so so so much this.

my wife's bane is stay at home parents. they're a special needs factory.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 10 2021 02:01pm)
Doing great at the stupid today, Thor. Well done! :wacko:

I'm 100% for dual parent households where one parent stays home and cares for hearth, home, and family, and the other is the "provider". However, from an economic standpoint, it's better if both parents play provider, and professionals raise the children en masse . Therefore, to incentivize the economically superior option, you provide tax credits to those willing to leave the raising of their children to strangers.


Providing an incentive to one is the same as providing a disincentive to the other. Your position is to punish parents who want to spend time with their kids. It's big government molly coddling of families who can't fend for themselves. Believe it or not, there are things to consider besides economics, and part of that is having families raised by families, not by big government funded day cares like you want.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 10 Mar 2021 12:02)
so so so so so so much this.

my wife's bane is stay at home parents. they're a special needs factory.


Single parent stay at home are cancer. Dual parent households with a stay at home? Mixed bag, honestly. Some work out incredibly well, others are just cum factories/dumpsters who're a drain on everyone and everything around them. All depends on the specific person you're referring to. Gen X'ers have gone half way to convincing me that stay at home parents are a curse though. Helicopter parents are so disjointed with reality that they're worse for society than homeless children. Seriously, leave the little shit alone long enough that they can skin their knee, eat dirt, and goose a stranger. People aren't born perfect, we learn from mistakes. Your child is not special, they're a fucking child. Let them grow the same way you did or gtfo.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 10 Mar 2021 12:03)
Providing an incentive to one is the same as providing a disincentive to the other. Your position is to punish parents who want to spend time with their kids. It's big government molly coddling of families who can't fend for themselves. Believe it or not, there are things to consider besides economics, and part of that is having families raised by families, not by big government funded day cares like you want.


This is false. A negative consequence is not the same as positive reinforcement. You are not disincentivizing stay at home parents by not providing tax credits. You simply aren't rewarding their choice. I have at no point advocated for punishing people for raising their own children. Only marxist monsters are that authoritarian.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 10 Mar 2021 12:08)
Factually incorrect. Single parents staying at home are good for society. It is inherently better for parents to raise their kids than to send them to a government run daycare.


Nobody said shit about "government run" anything. Stop shitposting, the level of duh has surpassed anything even remotely reasonable. Where in "professional" does the word "government" exist? Seriously, use your head.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Mar 10 2021 02:11pm
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 10 2021 02:07pm)
Single parent stay at home are cancer. Dual parent households with a stay at home? Mixed bag, honestly. Some work out incredibly well, others are just cum factories/dumpsters who're a drain on everyone and everything around them. All depends on the specific person you're referring to. Gen X'ers have gone half way to convincing me that stay at home parents are a curse though. Helicopter parents are so disjointed with reality that they're worse for society than homeless children. Seriously, leave the little shit alone long enough that they can skin their knee, eat dirt, and goose a stranger. People aren't born perfect, we learn from mistakes. Your child is not special, they're a fucking child. Let them grow the same way you did or gtfo.


Factually incorrect. Single parents staying at home are good for society. It is inherently better for parents to raise their kids than to send them to a government run daycare.
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