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Feb 21 2021 11:19pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 20 2021 08:38am)
It looks like a walmart in denver was locking hair products of colored folk behind glass. My guess would be that these are the items that tend to get stolen. Im curious how a store is supposed to deal with theft without being accused of racism šŸ¤”


https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/06/08/denver-walmart-retailer-alleged-discrimination/
DENVER (CBS4) – A Walmart customer says its location in Denver’s Montbello neighborhood discriminates against people of color after noticing only multicultural hair products locked behind glass in her local store.

ā€œIf I want Suave or Tresumme or Pantene, it’s out. The multi-cultural hair care is all locked behind the glass. That’s so ridiculous,ā€ said Lauren Epps, a black woman looking to purchase a scarf for her hair.

Multicultural products are made specifically for textured hair, designed for people of color. Epps says it’s frustrating that women with finer hair get the luxury of browsing and reading product descriptions, while she feels pressured to make an immediate choice.

ā€œI’m the kind of shopper who needs to look at things, read things. It’s awkward because you’re forced in the moment to grab it,ā€ explained Epps. ā€œPeople don’t realize what we have to go through on a daily basis.ā€

After Epps waited for an employee to unlock the glass, the employee began to reach for a portable locked case to put the item Epps selected inside.

Epps refused and left the store without purchasing the scarf.

ā€œI’m not going to be shamed into thinking I’m a criminal for just wanting to get a scarf. This is very blatant because the heading above that aisle says ā€˜Multicultural Hair Care.’ They are saying that people, who are a different culture, need their stuff to be locked up,ā€ said Epps.



on the one hand, a store should be able to protect their items from theft, and if thats whats being stolen, then thats what needs protection. on the other hand, its suicidal in today's political climate to do something so blatantly apparently racist. simple solution is lock them all up so theres no hint of racism.
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Feb 22 2021 12:39am
Who cares, the store has a right to lock any product they want to, they own it. End of story lol

To the lady complaining in the story, I would just tell her that every race needs to keep their own in check and until we all start doing that we get what we get lol.

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on the one hand, a store should be able to protect their items from theft, and if thats whats being stolen, then thats what needs protection. on the other hand, its suicidal in today's political climate to do something so blatantly apparently racist. simple solution is lock them all up so theres no hint of racism.


So what they did, is the third option. They did something thats so apparently racist, and is now trying to go through mental gymnastics so they dont get sued. Who the fuck is making these idiotic choices over at wal-mart? Duckling? Djunior?
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Feb 22 2021 10:43am
When i first saw this thread I thought it was about gorilla glue girl.

Apparently that saga has a Part 2

A man wanted to prove the first woman was overreacting by gluing his mouth shut.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/11/gorilla-glue-challenge-sends-louisiana-man-len-martin-to-er/
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Feb 22 2021 11:06am
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So what they did, is the third option. They did something thats so apparently racist, and is now trying to go through mental gymnastics so they dont get sued. Who the fuck is making these idiotic choices over at wal-mart? Duckling? Djunior?


My point is that it's only an appearance of racism. It depends what their intentions were. If they were having an issue with those products being stolen and locked them up, that's not racist. They should have realized, wait this will LOOK racist if we only lock up products that blacks want, but unless they said "black people steal, we better lock up the products they would want", it's not racist.
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Feb 22 2021 03:02pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ 22 Feb 2021 09:06)
My point is that it's only an appearance of racism. It depends what their intentions were. If they were having an issue with those products being stolen and locked them up, that's not racist. They should have realized, wait this will LOOK racist if we only lock up products that blacks want, but unless they said "black people steal, we better lock up the products they would want", it's not racist.


They also lock up high end razors and high cost razor blade refills (male and female designed both), high end toothbrushes (no lie), $15 pocket knives while leaving $50 butcher knives unlocked... Nearly all cologne/perfume, and many, many other things, including all console games and consoles, laptops, cameras, even HDMI cables and headphones. Depending on the Walmart and location, as well as level of loss on the item, even some of the higher end large packs of condoms end up put in anti-theft containers. It's nothing new, and nothing to do with any form of racism. More to do with taking a loss on the sale of the item overall in that market. So the choice is to lock it up or put in an anti-theft device, or stop selling it. The cherry picking of "this specific device is locked up, therefore racism" is simply that, cherry picking.

To whoever said, "They ended this practice" that is false. All they ended was company-wide determination of what is to be locked up, and took it down to market or even store level of what would be locked up, so it'd be 100% based around asset protection, rather than generalized loss.
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Feb 22 2021 03:04pm
Here we have to keep the vinilla extract and mouthwash locked at the grocery stores. Whenever I'm baking I have to go ask the cashier to unlock the vinilla extract.
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They also lock up high end razors and high cost razor blade refills (male and female designed both), high end toothbrushes (no lie), $15 pocket knives while leaving $50 butcher knives unlocked... Nearly all cologne/perfume, and many, many other things, including all console games and consoles, laptops, cameras, even HDMI cables and headphones. Depending on the Walmart and location, as well as level of loss on the item, even some of the higher end large packs of condoms end up put in anti-theft containers. It's nothing new, and nothing to do with any form of racism. More to do with taking a loss on the sale of the item overall in that market. So the choice is to lock it up or put in an anti-theft device, or stop selling it. The cherry picking of "this specific device is locked up, therefore racism" is simply that, cherry picking.

To whoever said, "They ended this practice" that is false. All they ended was company-wide determination of what is to be locked up, and took it down to market or even store level of what would be locked up, so it'd be 100% based around asset protection, rather than generalized loss.


yes, theres other things line high end stuff thats locked up, but thats irrelevant. here they only locked up hair products aimed at blacks, but not the same exact product aimed at whites. that clearly gives an appearance of racism, but again, whether it actually is would be dependent on whether those were actually stolen at a higher rate or not. which should be determinable, they should have records of whats gone missing.
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yes, theres other things line high end stuff thats locked up, but thats irrelevant. here they only locked up hair products aimed at blacks, but not the same exact product aimed at whites. that clearly gives anappearanceof racism, but again, whether it actually is would be dependent on whether those were actually stolen at a higher rate or not. which should be determinable, they should have records of whats gone missing.


"Aimed at". I just explained how a high loss item is locked up and why. If the loss exceeds the point where Walmart can make a profit, they have to remove the item from in-store purchase altogether if they do not lock it up. Many Walmart stores reached that point with specific haircare products, and locked them up.

In the "progressive" area I currently live, the nearby Walmart stopped selling those specific hair products entirely to bypass accusations of racism. They were taking a solid loss on that item. It was harming the bottom line of the store, and they didn't wish to deal with accusations of racism. So they went to "online sales only". You could get in store pickup (bypassing any shipping charges for the special order) but they completely removed them from shelves. There've been other products not at all targeted toward "blacks" that've suffered the same.

As I said, this is just a case of cherry picking. Imagine you own the store, and your profits are taking a huge hit due to a specific line of products that are an active loss, because you are selling half as many as are being stolen. What would you do? That's not "racial profiling", it's removing the business-destroying deficit. Again, it's no different than locking up razor blade refills, ammunition, jewelry, and cologne/perfume.

Edit: What "exact same hair product aimed at whites" was locked up for only "black products"? You'll have to be incredibly specific on this. Because again, at the local Walmart, Men's haircare is not locked up at all, no security devices, because it's not stolen at any measurably meaningful rate. Nor does it have any notable amount of shelf space. Nearly all women's hair dye IS locked up, no matter who it's for or why. You'll need to get really specific with your examples here. As what I've been seeing from Walmart (and the other stores) is more and more of EVERYTHING locked up due to higher and higher amounts of theft across the board for higher value easily stealable things.

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"Aimed at". I just explained how a high loss item is locked up and why. If the loss exceeds the point where Walmart can make a profit, they have to remove the item from in-store purchase altogether if they do not lock it up. Many Walmart stores reached that point with specific haircare products, and locked them up.

In the "progressive" area I currently live, the nearby Walmart stopped selling those specific hair products entirely to bypass accusations of racism. They were taking a solid loss on that item. It was harming the bottom line of the store, and they didn't wish to deal with accusations of racism. So they went to "online sales only". You could get in store pickup (bypassing any shipping charges for the special order) but they completely removed them from shelves. There've been other products not at all targeted toward "blacks" that've suffered the same.

As I said, this is just a case of cherry picking. Imagine you own the store, and your profits are taking a huge hit due to a specific line of products that are an active loss, because you are selling half as many as are being stolen. What would you do? That's not "racial profiling", it's removing the business-destroying deficit. Again, it's no different than locking up razor blade refills, ammunition, jewelry, and cologne/perfume.

Edit: What "exact same hair product aimed at whites" was locked up for only "black products"? You'll have to be incredibly specific on this. Because again, at the local Walmart, Men's haircare is not locked up at all, no security devices, because it's not stolen at any measurably meaningful rate. Nor does it have any notable amount of shelf space. Nearly all women's hair dye IS locked up, no matter who it's for or why. You'll need to get really specific with your examples here. As what I've been seeing from Walmart (and the other stores) is more and more of EVERYTHING locked up due to higher and higher amounts of theft across the board for higher value easily stealable things.


thats the general reason why products are locked up, yes, but that has nothing to do with who different products are aimed at. high end headphones are not aimed at blacks or whites, theyre aimed at anyone who can afford them. hair care products meant for the type of hair that black people have are aimed at blacks.

easy to see, just look at the picture above. same exact product, only the one aimed at black hair is locked up.
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