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Feb 15 2021 06:53pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 15 2021 06:49pm)
the constitution, in particular the 2nd amendment, has better interpretations than the NRA / gun nut one. also, my argument was a reply to a "unity" comment, not a constitutional one.


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Feb 15 2021 06:56pm
The 2nd Amendment is pretty clear, both in terms of language and established precedent.

This law is unconstitutional, and will be ruled as such.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 15 2021 07:48pm)
On a more analytical note: this is not a good faith bill designed to attract bipartisan support - it's a laundry list of liberal poison pills regarding 2nd amendment rights, designed to serve as a cudgel against a (supposedly) weakened GOP and a (probably genuinely?!) weakened NRA.

Imho, this bill is not supposed to pass Congress, it's supposed to make Republicans look bad.


I don't think it makes Democrats look good at all. I see this as classic overreach. They want to lose.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Feb 2021 01:51)
What you call "gun nut interpretation of the constitution" has largely been affirmed by the Supreme Court in DC v. Heller:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller


ah yes, the unanimous decision of an unpolitical supreme court, totally not nominated by politicians that were firmly beholden to gun manufacturers, definitively tells us what even basic reading comprehension, history knowledge, and common sense, as well as some serious and independent legal scholars put into question.
what a nice and unbiased, good faith argument, my good friend...
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ah yes, the unanimous decision of an unpolitical supreme court, totally not nominated by politicians that were firmly beholden to gun manufacturers, definitively tells us what even basic reading comprehension, history knowledge, and common sense, as well as some serious and independent legal scholars put into question.
what a nice and unbiased, good faith argument, my good friend...


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Still ISO S/S.


either you're so ignorant that you genuinely think your NRA reading of the second amendment is the only one, or you hope that you can misrepresent the lack of a screenshot as the lack of an alternative position. both laughably weak and undesirable starting points for a serious conversation. i choose to dodge it, we've been over this too often. deal with it, gun nut.
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Quote (fender @ Feb 15 2021 07:20pm)
either you're so ignorant that you genuinely think your NRA reading of the second amendment is the only one, or you hope that you can misrepresent the lack of a screenshot as the lack of an alternative position. both laughably weak and undesirable starting points for a serious conversation. i choose to dodge it, we've been over this too often. deal with it, gun nut.


You're the one pretending these insurmountable arguments for your positions exist. I know they don't, which is why you don't produce them. You're not so much "dodging" as you are acknowledging tacitly that you can't back up your tired platitudes.
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Feb 15 2021 07:38pm
Looks like it’s time to buy an AR
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not surprised the descendant of joseph is a fan of government-enforced lists to “keep tabs” on people he hates
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Quote (bogie160 @ 16 Feb 2021 01:56)
I don't think it makes Democrats look good at all. I see this as classic overreach. They want to lose.


I didnt say it will make Democrats look good, I said they hope it will make Republicans look bad. If there's a school shooting between the time this bill (inevitably) fails in Congress and election day, they can point to the bill and argue "see, we told you so, this would not have happened if the evil obstructionist moronic [insert 2 more paragraphs of a fender impersonation] had supported our CoMmOn SenSe GuN rEfOrM!!!!!11".

But yeah, I agree that it's a bad strategic choice for Democrats and classic overreach. Opposing this bill will close the ranks of a roiled up GOP and remind wavering conservatives who are on the fence due to Jan 6/Trump/impeachment of what's at stake when Democrats are given control. And while stuff like an assault weapon ban has majority support in polls, I really dont think the same will hold true for a public firearms registry or expensive and mandatory insurance.

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Quote (Santara @ 16 Feb 2021 02:29)
You're the one pretending these insurmountable arguments for your positions exist. I know they don't, which is why you don't produce them. You're not so much "dodging" as you are acknowledging tacitly that you can't back up your tired platitudes.


the fact that you're trying to misrepresent what i suggested are rivaling interpretations, as "insurmountable arguments" shows me i made a good choice. bad faith from the very start...
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