I wonder how much money Fox News will lose from this lawsuit.

Giuliani aged 10 years easy lol

Not worse than three years of Muh Russia Collusion

Incorrect

Probably less than was lost due to the defamation of Sandmann by CNN/WaPo etc.



Doesn't matter to me who won, I had issue with Dominion regardless. They're a closed-source voting machine created by a foreign company. That's Foreign Interference in our elections. The existence of fraud or irregularities has nothing to do with said concerns. Foreign entities should not be part of our Sovereign election process period.

If they want to run news campaigns using their outlets, get ad campaigns on social media, etc. etc.? Don't care, that's all perfectly legal. But to insert voting and tabulation machines? Not acceptable. And all the security issues pointed out by Texas regarding Dominion Machines were simply shrugged off as "secondary concerns" by PA and GA SOS. Wut?

You don't need to make the claim that the election was invalid to disapprove of foreign machines and foreign tech having direct involvement in sovereign elections. Merely a value for your nation's sovereignty.

Maricopa is going to do a forensic audit of the machines. If the results show that nothing shady took place, would that appease you?

No. Because I'm not arguing the validity of the election, nor am I arguing anything actionable regarding the 2020 election itself.

I'm arguing that Dominion is a foreign entity, and has no place in our election process at all. Note, by election process I'm referring to the mailing of official voting material (pamphlets, ballots, etc), the voting machines, the tabulation machines, etc.

So, foreign companies want to run ad and smear campaigns and try to sway public opinion in the US, as was done by an entire host of outlets such as the BBC, CBC, RT, and many others? Go right ahead. That's not part of the "process" that's simply flow of knowledge. If said companies want to be direct tabulators of votes? Just no.

Fair? I'm not contesting the validity of the machines either way, I'm contesting the source, as proprietary foreign systems do NOT insure sovereign democracies.

Ok, that's fair since you haven't jumped to the worst possible scenario when it comes to Trump's defeat compared to other people. I think the conspiracy would have still occurred whether Dominion was foreign or not - it just made it easier to push the narrative .

Joe Biden is President, the 2020 election process is done. No reasonable person cares about trying to "undo" anything related to such things at this point.

My concern is merely getting foreign elements out of the actual election process. Is that excusing that 100% American-made and American-coded machines have had issues as well? Not all all. But, after 2016, the highlight became "foreign interference". I'm simply pointing out that any direct involvement in the process by a foreign entity is foreign interference by definition.

I mean, there are still people who talk about Machines used during the Bush election in 2004. In a general sense, most "advanced" forms of voting simply aren't "secure" enough to be trustworthy anyhow. Voter ID (free of charge) + a pottery shard is the most secure. But in a nation of 150 million voters, it's not practical, so we do the best we can. My one and only beef with Dominion is that they're a foreign company. All the Powell and Woods shit is just that, shit. Regarding Giuliani, I'd have to be referenced to specifically what he said. Such defamation suits will either win or lose based on discovery, I'd tend to think. They were official claims made by people who filed official lawsuits, however, and Fox had the right to report on those claims. Attempting to sue media outlets who're reporting on real events is stupid and violates the First Amendment. If you accuse me of being a white supremacist, you're defaming my character. If CNN sees a story there, and reports it as you having accused me of being a white supremacist, CNN has done nothing wrong. You made the accusation, they reported that you made the accusation. There's no defamation on their part. A huge part of why the MSM settled out of court with Sandmann is the media crafted the entire narrative. They weren't quoting other people or reading out other lawsuits. They made an accusation that caused real injury to a school and it's underage students. I simply haven't seen the example of where anything Fox specifically has done the same regarding Dominion.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 6 2021 01:02pm

So, your whole argument is that major media outlets should lower their standards of vetting people/fact checking information thus essentially regress to TMZ's level of journalism with relative impunity. Spew as many damaging claims as possible, and if a company or person's image is royally tarnished, then you say oops my bad.. onto the next clickbait? . Oh bu-but, if it's a kid, then he has every right to sue! Fox News pushing a narrative about Dominion for months and subsequently their employees getting harassed is OK to you ? Officials have said that there has been no widespresd voter fraud, so why can Sandmann file a lawsuit but not Dominion?