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Jan 7 2021 05:01pm
Quote (Bazi @ Jan 7 2021 01:36pm)
Some might say it’s still premature (lol) but now that trump is undoubtedly on the way out and his political career is also probably finished, how will history judge this term

I think it definitely has been an action packed term. What do you think the objective pros/cons were over the last 4 years? If you’re on either side of the aisle, I am sure you can pick one thing you thought he said or did well, and conversely mistakes he made even if you were a supporter of him. Since I’m an obvious critic I’ll say something I enjoyed

I appreciated summer Spring/Summer 2019 China flex. I definitely disagreed with the mechanism, aka tariff approach instead of a global initiative. In one weekend he placed tariffs on Mexico , France , China , and Canada lol. however I agreed with the rhetoric and sentiment even though the implementation was sloppy. Keeping China in check is still a high priority issue for me that I think the world has to work together with

The consistent lack of foresight and double downing really fucked him. With covid and with the election results. If he would have conceded (after his legal challenges) and established an open and publicly visible transition, he could have maintained a viable legacy. Guess this is what happens when you keep company like Giuliani close. The $2000 check video segment after he lost the election, what stopped him from releasing this video earlier, say the week prior to the election? Poor tactics

Now that the trump faction will likely die out of mainstream politics, it will personally mean I’ll be able to vote Republican again, minus joni Ernst. It’s sad because I do think trump had the potential to be a good populist president if he was able to control himself. He had some absolutely golden opportunities this year to cement the next term, that he completely squandered.


I think you nailed it regarding his "double downing". He could have altered his course on COVID and won over people like me who voted on that issue more than the others but he basically resisted mitigation efforts and created the anti-mask sentiment that his party/followers obviously still believe in.

Had he handled that issue, undoubtedly the biggest during his term, better than he did he may not have lost in 2020.
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I think you nailed it regarding his "double downing". He could have altered his course on COVID and won over people like me who voted on that issue more than the others but he basically resisted mitigation efforts and created the anti-mask sentiment that his party/followers obviously still believe in.

Had he handled that issue, undoubtedly the biggest during his term, better than he did he may not have lost in 2020.


I think if he handled Covid well he would have smashed Biden. A competent response in the face of an emergency totally neuters the most prominent criticism of him as a president, that he is unfit for the office.
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Jan 7 2021 05:05pm
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I think if he handled Covid well he would have smashed Biden. A competent response in the face of an emergency totally neuters the most prominent criticism of him as a president, that he is unfit for the office.


Yup.

I have been saying these past few months that not a lot of leaders are in office during this scale of a crisis and Trump proved that was simply not the right man for this time. I'm not sure Biden is, either, but I still voted for him as Trump had ample time and opportunity to do something with COVID beyond what he did and try and unite the country rather than divide it to the point where we stand today.

I would say this issue and his handling of it will be all that matters when history reflects back on Trump and he will go down as arguably the worst President of all-time.


EDIT -- to give more color to this point, I have a fucking Che Guevera signature and I would have voted for him had he handled this issue well.


This post was edited by Kamahl16 on Jan 7 2021 05:06pm
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Jan 7 2021 05:10pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 7 2021 04:58pm)
The pros have been that PaRD has been more active. The cons have been that PaRD has been more active.


This, and also this:

Pro: intense deregulation by EO that mandated two regulations be axed for every new regulation.

Con: sheer incompetence in general governance.
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Jan 7 2021 05:20pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/1347224002671108098

here’s another major drawback: the now-cemented unilateral overreach by several tech corporations which have formed a monolithic oligarchy, which now dictates the terms and conditions of discourse
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Jan 7 2021 05:29pm
Quote (excellence @ Jan 7 2021 06:20pm)
https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/1347224002671108098

here’s another major drawback: the now-cemented unilateral overreach by several tech corporations which have formed a monolithic oligarchy, which now dictates the terms and conditions of discourse


while i agree if this were any joe schmo
perhaps the loudest social media user ever
using the widest reaching platforms the world has ever had
to encourage unlawful behavior
is not something i can have any sympathy for
he should be giving press conferences more regularly anyways
not shitter tweeting his shower thoughts

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Jan 7 2021 06:47pm
i keep hearing about trump's "criminal justice reform" as one of his key accomplishments. so i'm wondering: what did he actually improve on his own initiative? i know that he acted like he cared for a week to gain kanye's support, that he pardoned a bunch of black folks (which is obviously not the same as changing the SYSTEM), and that he keeps bringing it up to pander to minorities - but last time i checked, he's still the one who put jeff sessions in charge, prisons are still filled with non violent drug offenders, he was the one who sent an unaccountable army of mercenaries to illegally abduct people exercising their first amendment rights, and the people he endorsed largely ran on tough on crime platforms... so what exactly should we objectively credit him with on this?
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Jan 7 2021 07:21pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 7 2021 06:02pm)
I think if he handled Covid well he would have smashed Biden. A competent response in the face of an emergency totally neuters the most prominent criticism of him as a president, that he is unfit for the office.


His response was the same as Biden.

This is a 60-IQ opinion.
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Jan 7 2021 07:30pm
Anti chinese anti commie sentiment is probably the best thing to come out if his presidency
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Jan 7 2021 07:44pm
Quote (chemoshots @ 7 Jan 2021 18:29)
while i agree if this were any joe schmo
perhaps the loudest social media user ever
using the widest reaching platforms the world has ever had
to encourage unlawful behavior
is not something i can have any sympathy for
he should be giving press conferences more regularly anyways
not shitter tweeting his shower thoughts

ok fine, it starts with “the loudest social media user” and President. it will flow down to anyone and everyone with less power. Ask Snowden what happens when you tick off unelected groups with near-unlimited power.

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