Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 4 2021 08:01pm)

I think they should have a failsafe in place for brake failure and should not approach crossings at high speed.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 4 2021 08:01pm)

Id program it to hit the brakes and try not to hit anyone

But to answer the question, I wouldn't program it to discriminate based on age, no.

Programming a car to intentionally swerve into someone (because they are old) is premeditated murder and the maker of the program should be held liable

Quote (Nathan @ Jan 5 2021 03:02pm)

Some small amount of failure will always be inevitable and there should be a procedure in place for when such a scenario occurs.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 4 2021 08:04pm)

If the car has the technology to tell a boomer and a child apart and make a decision based on that we will be too busy fighting the machines to worry about this kind of question.

Quote (Nathan @ Jan 5 2021 03:05pm)

They already do, and we aren't.

Quote (DrFaGgIt @ Jan 4 2021 08:18pm)

From an insurance stand point you hit the child but I think it should take out the elderly.

Hopefully they’ve lived a long and full life, the child is just beginning their misery.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 4 2021 10:46pm)

Friends of PaRD, the classic Trolley Dilemma has become of interest to self-driving car makers as they attempt to refine their algorithms for extreme (yet still plausible) scenarios. ^Nathan and I went through the scenarios that they have on MIT's https://www.moralmachine.net/, which you can 'play' to help them get human data on moral decisions. It will also allow you to see stats on your own decisions compared to the average of all other users.

The scenarios there revolve around the self-driving car having a brake failure and needing to decide to either stay on current course or swerve, with potentially lethal consequences being associated with either outcome. Here is one scenario (poll related) that ^Nathan and I viewed differently:

https://i.imgur.com/O5R0ACH.png

The two options become:

1. The car stays on current course and hits the child who is crossing when he is not supposed to be in the crosswalk.
2. The car swerves and fatally hits the elderly man who is crossing when he is supposed/allowed to be in the crosswalk.

What do you think the self-driving car should do? Are there scenarios from the game that would make decision-making more complex for you? For instance, the other scenarios you can play also include aspects of gender, social status, health, animals v. humans, and the number of people in either outcome as points of influence.

You can also use the 'design' feature on https://www.moralmachine.net/ to create your own scenario (as I have down with the photo above) to see what other PaRD members would do.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 4 2021 06:19pm)

So you think age trumps adhering to a social contract (crossing on red or green)?