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Nov 10 2020 03:56pm
People look too narrowly at things. I would think that 80%+ Americans would say they don't want him as president. That does not mean that 40% of those 80% don't want a republican leader though.

No one wants him as a party leader, but people want their party in power.

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People look too narrowly at things. I would think that 80%+ Americans would say they don't want him as president. That does not mean that 40% of those 80% don't want a republican leader though.

No one wants him as a party leader, but people want their party in power.


80% is pretty high based on the number of counties Trump won vs Biden.. but that's just another anomaly, nothing to see there.
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Nov 10 2020 04:12pm
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80% is pretty high based on the number of counties Trump won vs Biden.. but that's just another anomaly, nothing to see there.


yes nothing to see when you have 5 millions more popular votes
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Nov 10 2020 04:12pm
Quote (SBD @ 10 Nov 2020 16:56)
People look too narrowly at things. I would think that 80%+ Americans would say they don't want him as president. That does not mean that 40% of those 80% don't want a republican leader though.

No one wants him as a party leader, but people want their party in power.

its closer than that lol

im from a middle-class family with a lot of immigrants that worked their way up: the advances we have made the last 4 years have been spectacular.

is this directly because of Trump; probably not
was he in charge during this time: yes

Thats the way it goes
Same reason why i was pro-Obama despite not liking a lot of policies.
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Nov 10 2020 04:14pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 10 Nov 2020 16:12)
yes nothing to see when you have 5 millions more popular votes


None of them are fake or anything lol.
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Nov 10 2020 04:20pm
Quote (Jere @ 10 Nov 2020 23:14)
None of them are fake or anything lol.


Biden Won, bad news for Erdogan despote who can no longer give a call to WH, threatening to remove trump towers Istanbul if something doesn't fit his needs.

Nothing to see here, infidel.

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Biden Won, bad news for Erdogan despote who can no longer give a call to WH, threatening to remove trump towers Istanbul if something doesn't fit his needs.

Nothing to see here, infidel.


Seems like you might be right.. as fake votes continue to be invalidated and Biden's lead continues to shrink...
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Nov 10 2020 04:22pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 10 2020 04:44pm)
I think that there are a plethora of very valid reasons why people want a second term of Trump--which, in many ways, I read more as a second term of Republican leadership for some. There are definitely many right-wing folks who actively like Trump, and many more moderates who aren't super big on Trump as a person, but are in alignment with him by way of the two-party system and the limitations therein. Some reasons I can think of include:

- If you're from places like the Iron Range in Minnesota or any other areas of 'Coal Country', then Trump is the clear winner in terms of short-term necessity. The left does wonderfully about thinking of thinks at a systems-level, but sometimes does horribly at thinking at a local or individual level. When you have Democrats saying that they're either going to "put coal miners/mining companies out of business" or "ban fracking", it does little to build confidence and a feeling of support in people whose entire families and towns have been built around crude oil, coal, or fracking. Many people in these areas describe themselves as "single-issue voters", and understandably so. Trump is the candidate between the major 2 that at least says that he'll be bringing jobs back to coal country and cementing job security (Whether this happens in actuality is a different story though).

- Trump's foreign policy record from a war perspective is actually pretty good. The United States hasn't entered a new war (at least not a major one that I can think of) since he's been in office. This has been nice to see after more than a decade's worth of unnecessary wars.

- Trump made major in-roads with minority voters that Republicans haven't seen for several decades. This is largely, I guess, a result of push-back forming against the left. Again, the left thinks in a very systemic way at the expense of individual considerations. They've historically treated minorities as a monolith and as tokens, and people are understandably getting sick of that. Even though people will chalk it up as a poor joke, Biden's "If you vote for [Trump] then you ain't Black" is certainly a reflection of the sentiment many white people on the left have with regards to minorities.

- People are very concerned about the role and power of China in international politics, and Trump has taken a very strong, vocal opposition to China's authoritarian practices.

Edit: You don't have 71 million people vote for Trump without reason(s).


uhm, drones strikes increased under trump and him and kushner are selling national security secrets to UAE to pay off kushner's debts.

did you not see they are trying to ram through another arms deal to UAE? 10 billion. This was the summation of those competely false "peace deals" negotiated by trump. wonder how much of this kushner is going to see and trump.
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Nov 10 2020 04:23pm
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its closer than that lol

im from a middle-class family with a lot of immigrants that worked their way up: the advances we have made the last 4 years have been spectacular.

is this directly because of Trump; probably not
was he in charge during this time: yes

Thats the way it goes
Same reason why i was pro-Obama despite not liking a lot of policies.


trump had nothing. absolutely nothing to do with economic growth in the country.
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trump had nothing. absolutely nothing to do with economic growth in the country.


Yea that was Obama!!!
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