when i poke around in AZ and NV i see lower lib turnouts and higher dem turnouts - i noticed this yesterday and thought maybe libs are voting biden

maybe they only care about drug policy? and dems are "less law and order" ?

another good point is trump and dems in all counties are getting bigger numbers of votes too.... but i guess we'll have to wait until all 100% reported to really pick these numbers apart

This post was edited by proccy on Nov 4 2020 11:43pm

You’re right we will have to wait for all final numbers before analyzing. From what I am seeing Lib performing better than Green Party , better relatively compared to 2016. Apples to apples and oranges to oranges: my “feeling” is Green Party voters this cycle more in line to go biden, and maybe did so at increased rate compared to Lib colleagues

Eh. I know what you mean in that the Democrats are especially more against the constitution and authoritarian, but on the other hand.

You really have to take it as a voter for her was a voter for her. If they feel like Jo Jorgensen was the right choice, then that's fine.

It is what it is. There's no guarantee if they didn't vote for her, they would want to vote for Trump over Biden. Or vote at all for that matter.

Personally, I think she sucks, and isn't a good representation of a real Libertarian with certain parts of her ideology. But that's me.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Nov 5 2020 02:47am

The notion that the two major parties are entitled to all the votes is preposterous. The notion that 100% of libertarians would rather vote Republican than Democrat is also preposterous. Libertarians are generally closer to Democrats on social issues and Republicans on fiscal ones, so if social issues are more important to you, you might be more inclined to vote Democrat.

Also obligatory:

Motherfuckers acting like we should be upset that candidates we don't support lose elections.



This post was edited by Santara on Nov 5 2020 05:20am

I think it's probably moreso that the Democratic party is pretty authoritarian -- which is about as far away from a Libertarian as you can get. And they now won.

Not necessarily that you have to like Donald Trump or be upset about him specifically losing, but the guy is pretty Libertarian socially and policy wise is moreso Conservative and pro-Constitution. He definitely lines up more with the majority of Libertarian viewpoints over Joe Biden/the Dems.

If people don't care they don't care. I don't mind.

I'm obviously not happy with Joe Biden winning, but if they don't hold the Senate. He likely won't accomplish much, and since the Republicans appointed the majority of the current SCOTUS.

Still not the best position to be in, but also not the worst.

Is there any chance that some libertarians perhaps dislike Trump as a person, or that they dislike the idea of voting for the Republican party?

I dunno, just offering the possibility that people aren't as one-dimensional as you might think.

I'm a left leaning libertarian. I'm not a unicorn. As santara said if you're a libertarian and social issues outweigh fiscal ones to u then u lean left.

It helps that the modern gop is in shambles fiscally

You're saying that people who like a certain party don't all have exactly the same ideologies? Are there any other colors in the world than black and white?

Good luck explaining that to GLYC123.

Thats obvious lol. But really im saying I'd wager left leaning libs are way bigger of a group than he'd think. Were just normally lumped into independents.