oh ya. there was a male to female MMA fighter making the rounds in lower organizations, not UFC or Bellator, who had multiple fights without notifying her opponents she started life as a he for 25 or so years. even the quick highlights were awful to watch. her form was terrible, but the strength difference was very apparent. she just out muscled a few opponents and smashed their faces in ground and pound. then it came out her birth sex was male, she couldnt get fights, and some really good fighter took her on and beat her ass because she had great technique.

also there was the lacrosse person, or maybe it was rugby, where the male to female athlete would just walk through the entire opposing team.


edit: indeed, fallon fox



This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 20 2020 09:05am

Easy, just test for testosterone and make that the objective standard.

We have some questions we need to answer as a society

How is that ok ...

fallon passes quite well, she lied. her team lied. etc.

she hit a wall tho once she got decent opponents. she was basically an untrained man vs trained women, once she met good trained women she was done.

Still so pathetic lol

This is news to me, I cannot imagine many women took well to a born biological male competing in women’s sports.

fallon went from a random up and comer to the greatest villain in the sport, she had a price on her head to the fans. u can hear in that fight her opponent is getting cheered on heavily.

as far as i know fallon has now been ostracized from the sport, she was only kept around long enough to get her ass beat.

I am happy common sense eventually prevailed at the end of the day

I understand it is a complicated, an emotional topic, for many. However as a society we have to address in which exceptions are justified and which are not. Don’t really care where they go to the bathroom... However if I had a daughter who was competitive in xyz activity, I think we as a society should have a system which encourages fair practices

As someone who has been around the powerlifting world a bit and as a result a lot of time in gyms, university gyms, etc. the training used already mimics what is in that article. That article is no reflection of what females are doing in the gym who are already enrolled at a competitive level. They are not on a treadmill or using pink kettlebells. They are on the platform like the rest of us.

That being said though, even pound for pound unless heavily injecting, it's not remotely close. Unfortunately the mass majority of sports that are entertaining have a degree of explosiveness to it, with the exception some Olympic events and other things that revolve around endurance.

Typically professionals need to earn a living which means the sport needs to earn revenues to pay expenses which means it needs fans. Fans need to be entertained. If they are not you end up with something like the WNBA which is just funded off the back of the NBA due to it having a dismal fan base. Its not entertaining to watch a woman do a 540 when a guy is putting up consistent 1080s in a half pipe. It's just not.

Would it be entertaining if I had not just seen or knew what the male counterpart of these professionals were doing, probably because its still beyond what I could do with no training, but knowing what the top end is and then trying to watch a woman's event just does not do it for me and I think a lot of other fans. I can't even stand CFL, NFL and US collage ball has ruined CFL For me. CFL looks like a bunch of bad high school kids in comparison so for me its not even female vs male, its just I as a fan want to watch the highest level. Some may say that I have contradicted myself by saying I watch collage football, I disagree, the effort they are sinking in, its like playoffs every game, they all wanted to be recruited and it ends up in a game that I think is better than the NFL. Puts those 50M complacent contract players to shame.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 20 2020 09:37am

society is dumb, so many have been brainwashed into thinking testosterone isnt important, and another chunk that if we just do T checks that will make it fair.

what we should do is just ban trans males from female sports, bite the bullet and exclude the .04% of the population, boo hoo. allow trans females to compete against men. and be done with it. all else its a penis OR vagina test to see who u play against. trans males allowed to play cis males if it is viable.

boom, done. join the jazz band and leave sports behind if u want to transition and its an advantage.

Short of making "trans leagues" I think this is probably the best option honestly.