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Oct 19 2020 11:17pm
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Limited is still enjoyable. Standard is ruined due to the power creap in new sets. It's one of the few multiplayer games I can play with 700 ping.

Fucking every card now needs to immediately do something on the turn it's down now basically since far to many cards create immediate value and you can essentially value out your opponents, its just not fun. Limited however remains good and the addition of human drafting has been nice.

They need to allow for custom lobbies to just do a draft with only buddies. Or maybe a draft with a set that's not in rotation just allowing you as a group to agree to draft X set anytime you want.


I draft every day :)
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Oct 20 2020 12:13am
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except, you know, breaking the law, such as by breach of contract.


It'll be up to the litigation to see if they broke the contract, as per my first sentence.

The second line was about the more general laissez faire attitude that was taken by conservatives until companies started doing things they disagreed with, which was obvious if you were reading for content.
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Oct 20 2020 12:41am
black orcs i am emotionally scarred now
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Oct 20 2020 12:51am
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"Following Mr. Kelman’s assignment to Defendant’s Dragonlance team, Defendant issued a four-point set of comments dealing with various sensitivity issues ranging from the use of love potions in the story, as referenced in the 5E Dungeons Masters Guide, to concerns of sexism, inclusivity and potential negative connotations of certain character names. On each occasion when the publisher or Defendant, directly or indirectly, expressed reservations about the text or requested rewrites, including “sensitivity rewrites,” Plaintiff-Creators accommodated such requests and provided rewrites, in one case, 70 pages-worth. Regardless, at no point in time was there any indication of any problem with the writing or re-writing process. In fact, given that the process was moving forward, Plaintiff-Creators also informed Defendant that they had completed Book 2 of the trilogy, provisionally titled, “Dragons of Fate.”"
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If they violated the contract they violated the contract. It'll be up to the judge or maybe jury to decide depending on how they go about the litigation and how the contract is written.

I get a chuckle every time something like this happens. We had Republicans for a very long time saying that private companies can't be policed and they should be allowed to basically do whatever they want, and then when those companies decide being inclusive makes them more money it's the end of the world.

This is just how capitalism operates. They want money, and in our world doing token gestures of inclusion gets that done, or at least keeps people off your ass so other products can make money.

Just googled and it looks like MTG arena is still doing pretty well. I played that for a month or two and enjoyed it.


Perhaps you should Google the long list of companies that are backpedaling on SJW issues because their core fan base felt alienated by it and stopped buying?
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Oct 20 2020 06:16am
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Limited is still enjoyable. Standard is ruined due to the power creap in new sets. It's one of the few multiplayer games I can play with 700 ping.

Fucking every card now needs to immediately do something on the turn it's down now basically since far to many cards create immediate value and you can essentially value out your opponents, its just not fun. Limited however remains good and the addition of human drafting has been nice.

They need to allow for custom lobbies to just do a draft with only buddies. Or maybe a draft with a set that's not in rotation just allowing you as a group to agree to draft X set anytime you want.


magic is essentially ruined these days. the last 4 or 5 sets have been absurd with power creep.

i have like 6 cube drafts set up for older expansions that no one even wants to run. who wants to draft UC cards with 3 mana costs, 2/3 stats, and only 1 niche ability?

so we mostly play tribal commander. and i play 93/94 classic, it was overpowered af back then but at least u know what your getting into.
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Oct 20 2020 06:26am
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black orcs i am emotionally scarred now


Racism and "evil" races has long been a problem, especially since orcs were created as a metaphor for blacks and "Orientals" by Tolkien and other western writers.

The Lord of the Rings was about his traumatic experience in the trenches of WW1, and the hell on earth created by other humans. If humans could create that hell, then they are monsters, per Tolkien.

This story has more to do with WoTC owning the intellectual property and the authors wanting to tell more stories with their characters, and using another publisher, Penguin Random House, to do so.

I read about this yesterday, and there really isn't anything political or religious about it. Their lawyer claims all the stuff about worrying about people being defensive, but their lawyer also said that the person WoTC put to oversee them was a pedophile and sexual predator, so lawyers are gonna lawyer.

But I'm sure this has to do more with the $$ unless there was some very questionable content in the books.

Has anyone else here read the Dragonlance chronicles and legends? I probably read all of the Dragonlance books when I was younger, including the side stories like The Legend of Huma, Kaz the Minotaur, the Tasselhoff solo books...Man I was so fucked up when Weis and Hickman killed Tas....

I do love the spinzone take on this. It is funny how this pops on his radar and right wing terrorism is ignored completely :lol:


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Quote (Santara @ Oct 20 2020 07:01am)
Perhaps you should Google the long list of companies that are backpedaling on SJW issues because their core fan base felt alienated by it and stopped buying?


Get woke, go broke
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I read about this yesterday, and there really isn't anything political or religious about it. Their lawyer claims all the stuff about worrying about people being defensive, but their lawyer also said that the person WoTC put to oversee them was a pedophile and sexual predator, so lawyers are gonna lawyer.

But I'm sure this has to do more with the $$ unless there was some very questionable content in the books.


Wheres the $$ in paying writers for three years only to pulp their books instead of releasing them? There's nothing economical about having a team of veteran writers and overseers to produce media and then just scuttle it after its ready to ship. The bottom line profits only come from WotC making the cynical calculation that the potential political controversy from the SJWs on twitter attacking them for the umpteenth time could cost them more business than the book series would bring in, so its in their interests to preemptively self-censor to the extreme.
or in other words, get woke, go broke
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Oct 20 2020 07:38am
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 20 2020 09:14am)
Wheres the $$ in paying writers for three years only to pulp their books instead of releasing them? There's nothing economical about having a team of veteran writers and overseers to produce media and then just scuttle it after its ready to ship. The bottom line profits only come from WotC making the cynical calculation that the potential political controversy from the SJWs on twitter attacking them for the umpteenth time could cost them more business than the book series would bring in, so its in their interests to preemptively self-censor to the extreme.
or in other words, get woke, go broke


If that's the case then they will lay in the bed they make. Honestly when I heard about the Orc = Evil is racist thing it honestly stopped me in my tracks a little and really made me think about the black and whiteness of all the fantasy books I've read and RPGs I've played.

Some of my favorite parts of the LoTR were from the viewpoint of the Uruk Hai. I don't know how many troll/ogre/orc warriors/shaman I have named Grishnakh in various games lol.

Honestly it was one of the first philosophical statements to ever come out of this SJW movement since its inception. Real talk, with SJW ideology, which is pathos pathos pathos, this is a lot more logos and ethos which is much more respectable of a claim.

You know that D&D had full rights to use Cthulhu in its property, they had a very old agreement with Arkham house as long as Chaosium could use some limited D&D rules in their full fledged Call of Cthulhu game. TSR (now WoTC) quit publishing it because it was the stuff of existential nightmares and their market is toward children and they had a very bad rep at the time because of allegations of demon worship and whatnot. My dad didn't want me to play D&D because it was Satanic. Its funny looking back, because it is very wholesome.

These dudes are always walking the line of public relations. It sucks that they are trying to can another great Dragonlance saga without any real justification. In the articles I read which were superficial at best said that WoTC were not clear at all in why, they just seemed to turn on the writers and put a shithead in charge and sabotage the effort.

I wonder if there is some real problematic stuff in there. Draconian society was pretty brutal, but as a young person reading it, they were a foreign monster race hatched in clusters from dragon eggs or whatever to serve as reliable and powerful sapien servants (stratified by color) so shoot them and stab them lol.

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