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Sep 28 2020 01:08pm
Quote (Skinned @ Sep 28 2020 09:06pm)
Not even reading after all the O'Keefe stuff tbh, credibility is lost.


it isnt really about reading. Doesnt he shows actual footage? Can you tell me why I shouldnt trust this guy? I dont know him yet, nor did I watch his videos yet.
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Sep 28 2020 01:08pm
stopped reading at project veritas

Hes number 12 on this list for good reasons
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=80121844&f=276

This post was edited by duffman316 on Sep 28 2020 01:09pm
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Sep 28 2020 01:12pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 28 2020 02:53pm)
You're not allowed to pay cash for votes in any jurisdiction I've ever heard of.


But you can pay cash for fake supporters, Just like Trump did, do you not shame that?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48859161

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/06/17/trump-paid-actors-50-to-cheer-for-him
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Sep 28 2020 01:16pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 28 2020 02:08pm)
stopped reading at project veritas

Hes number 12 on this list for good reasons
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=80121844&f=276


https://twitter.com/glennbeck/status/1310655549386747906
Other journalists have already confirmed this with multiple sources, and the FBI were asked to investigate by multiple elected representatives, before project veritas ever got interested
James O'Keefe was called by the folks looking into this, in hopes he'd find a way to get them on tape

The real accusations have been about widespread fraud in the 2016 and 2018 elections, what o'keefe got on camera was just from the primaries in august this year

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Sep 28 2020 01:18pm
Quote (Leon321 @ Sep 28 2020 12:08pm)
it isnt really about reading. Doesnt he shows actual footage? Can you tell me why I shouldnt trust this guy? I dont know him yet, nor did I watch his videos yet.


It shows actual footage of completely legal activity. So it shows nothing of real significance.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 28 2020 12:03pm)
Yeah that answers it. You aren't allowed to say "come vote for anybody and I'll pay for $10"


Here's my insight on this. Are there individual canvassers and political field staff who have tried to get away with paying for signatures, voter reg cards, etc.? Absolutely yes. Every political field coordinator in the country knows there will always be a few trouble areas every campaign season. But, by and large, these people are caught and prosecuted because all of us who work in the industry are quick to turn them in.

Now, I would expect that Omar has a campaign manager, a consulting firm, and a number of subcontractor organizations working under the consultant with their own staff. This is typical. In an hourly pay scenario, there would generally be a quota attached to number of signatures, number of reg cards, number of contacts, number of doors knocked, etc. Some metric to ensure people are working. So of course there are always a few stupid people who will try to make quota by offering someone a buck to sign the petition. They are almost universally caught and fired in their first week of work. No consultant or subcontractor in the country is going to be instructing anyone to do anything illegal, and they are going to be extremely protective of their industry. So if Project Veritas finds one or two people doing shady things, it wouldn't surprise me. But it would surprise me if it were more than a few ballots they tried to buy before they got busted and fired. Any attempt to frame this as some sort of systemic issue happening everywhere is ignorant at the very least.
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Sep 28 2020 01:18pm
at this point it's not surprising anymore that a political hack outlet like "project veritas" is a trusted news source for same crowd that shouts "fake news" at everyone reporting critically about their emperor. someone who repeatedly (and clumsily) fabricated evidence, doctored videos, and deliberately misrepresented issues and facts in order to promote specific political narratives is somehow reliable to them...
i mean, we all know right wingers are masters of projection and hypocrisy, so i guess in that way it makes sense. it's just funny that they unironically make these threads and think that anyone who isn't already a loyal cult member would take them seriously, lol...
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Sep 28 2020 01:29pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 28 2020 03:16pm)
https://twitter.com/glennbeck/status/1310655549386747906
Other journalists have already confirmed this with multiple sources, and the FBI were asked to investigate by multiple elected representatives, before project veritas ever got interested
James O'Keefe was called by the folks looking into this, in hopes he'd find a way to get them on tape

The real accusations have been about widespread fraud in the 2016 and 2018 elections, what o'keefe got on camera was just from the primaries in august this year


That's a link to Glen Beck's twitter. Might as well be meatspin lol. Quit trolling.

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Sep 28 2020 01:37pm
Quote (Skinned @ Sep 28 2020 02:06pm)
Not even reading after all the O'Keefe stuff tbh, credibility is lost.


Republicans need to be like Jimbo on South Park. Convincing the KKK to switch sides because everybody hates them. O'Keefe needs to come out with some stunning thing that Trump definitely colluded from Russia so no liberal ever brings it up again.
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Sep 28 2020 10:33pm
All the hand-wringing about "Project Veritas" aside, is anyone in the least bit surprised by this?
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Sep 28 2020 10:47pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 28 2020 11:33pm)
All the hand-wringing about "Project Veritas" aside, is anyone in the least bit surprised by this?


No, nobody is surprised that project veritas is posting another hit piece.
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