Quote (thundercock @ Sep 27 2020 01:32pm)

That's because there's no market for intellectual conservatism. There's a huge market for pseudo-intellectual conservatism though. It allows idiots to parrot strawman arguments in order to own the libs.

Coleman Hughes is an incredibly well spoken individual and the man has a very bright future ahead of him. I can't speak to the others but I've seen some Thomas Sowell quotes every now and then. I think some of the black thinkers who go against the grain make perfectly valid arguments in a vacuum. The issue is that intellectual dishonest people will use these arguments in order to ignore some very pressing issues in this country. Yes, MLK wanted people to be judged on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. But that doesn't mean we should be color blind, ignore our history, and ignore the racism that currently exists in this country. I should note that racism takes on many forms and we've certainly made progress since the 60s, but that doesn't mean it's not prevalent.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 27 2020 11:43am)

Yes this is more or less my assessment as well. Conservatism in America has no intellectual basis. It is a wholly bought Koch subsidiary. It's even so bad that they basically go to universities and give money with strings attached to what kind of research their business departments can do (they might as well have just bought the entire business department at Florida State), which is why economics in America currently slants so far into the ridiculous right as well.

I absolutely love that understanding systemic racism in America has changed so quickly. It's only been like a year since the "moderate" position was that it wasn't really a thing and liberals are largely making mountains out of molehills, and now the "moderate" position is "duh, it's really fuckin obvious guys, it's just a question of how to address it".

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 27 2020 01:54pm)

Yea, I'm definitely in that boat. I think that's why Al Sharpton was so hopeful during the George Floyd eulogy. Some things are just egregious that you simply can't turn a blind eye to it. Between Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, and Ahmad Arbery, you've generated a perfect storm. Perhaps we just had more faith in our institutions back then and we simply trusted the judgment of police. With so many high profile cases, that faith has definitely been shaken and many of us are going down a pretty dark path and asking some disturbing questions. How long have these institutions been corrupt? How many cases are we unaware of?

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 27 2020 01:54pm)

Yea, I'm definitely in that boat. I think that's why Al Sharpton was so hopeful during the George Floyd eulogy. Some things are just egregious that you simply can't turn a blind eye to it. Between Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, and Ahmad Arbery, you've generated a perfect storm. Perhaps we just had more faith in our institutions back then and we simply trusted the judgment of police. With so many high profile cases, that faith has definitely been shaken and many of us are going down a pretty dark path and asking some disturbing questions. How long have these institutions been corrupt? How many cases are we unaware of?

Quote (krackprophet @ Sep 27 2020 02:09pm)

The issue is is other than maybe Arbery where there's at least evidence that those guys might have acted differently if he wasnt black there's no evidence race was even an issue. Poor -insert color here- would be victimized in the same way in these situations. The 'Systemic Racism' argument doesnt hold when you can insert poor person and have reasonable certainty the situation would end the same.

You can use historic racism to explain part of the disparity in % of blacks living in poverty obviously. You also have to give credit to the line of reasoning that we have come to the point where the system is victimizing people regardless of color.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 27 2020 03:27pm)

Wrong.

It has been substantiated beyond any reasonable doubt that minorities get worse sentences for the same crimes, get treated worse, have more contact with the police, and pretty much everything else you can think of even when you control for socioeconomic factors.

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 27 2020 03:41pm)

So do men. Are women the final boss of oppressors?

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 27 2020 02:41pm)

So do men. Are women the final boss of oppressors?

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 27 2020 01:50pm)

15 years ago Shapiro wouldnt be considered an intellectual by pretty much anybody.

Fundamentally, Shapiro is not honest. Hes interested in owning the libs and so he constantly makes really dumb and inconsistent arguments. Its not about being right, its about his brand and making money from it.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 27 Sep 2020 16:10)

Have you never met a Karen?