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Sep 16 2020 06:18am
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 16 2020 07:14am)


100%.

sexualizing young girls with the message "you're a big girl whenever u want to be" = bad

sexualizing young girls with the message "this is bad, and dont do this to your kids" = good


its similar to rape, if u have a character that rapes with impunity, is the hero of the story, and people love him for it, thats bad. if rape is done by the bad guys and makes them irredeemable, thats good.

there are bad things and good things in the world, when shown in media its the message they send morally that is important, not their existence. i havent heard criticism that this will lead to more sexualized girls, only that its food for pedos, which is silly.

Quote (Nathan @ Sep 16 2020 07:18am)
It doesn't matter if the film was amazing, thought-provoking, disturbing, poignant, or whatever. It's exploitative to film prepubescent children like that.

You shouldn't film an actual rape or murder or whatnot if you want to make a film that depicts some horrible act/behavior to criticize it. Some of the shots are so close up and from such explicit angles, and if that really is part of the point being made in the movie itself, and there was such a desperate need to show things so vividly, you could at least use animation, older actors, or even blur parts of certain shots. People should be free to depict anything, but this isn't a depiction of sexual exploitation of children, it's a recording of it.


sounds like those shots made you uncomfortable just as the director wanted.

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It doesn't matter if the film was amazing, thought-provoking, disturbing, poignant, or whatever. It's exploitative to film prepubescent children like that.

You shouldn't film an actual rape or murder or whatnot if you want to make a film that depicts some horrible act/behavior to criticize it. Some of the shots are so close up and from such explicit angles, and if that really is part of the point being made in the movie itself, and there was such a desperate need to show things so vividly, you could at least use animation, older actors, or even blur parts of certain shots. People should be free to depict anything, but this isn't a depiction of sexual exploitation of children, it's a recording of it.
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Sep 16 2020 06:21am
this topic gonna get somebody the ban boot
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Sep 16 2020 06:55am
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Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 16 2020 08:18am)
100%.

sexualizing young girls with the message "you're a big girl whenever u want to be" = bad

sexualizing young girls with the message "this is bad, and dont do this to your kids" = good


its similar to rape, if u have a character that rapes with impunity, is the hero of the story, and people love him for it, thats bad. if rape is done by the bad guys and makes them irredeemable, thats good.

there are bad things and good things in the world, when shown in media its the message they send morally that is important, not their existence. i havent heard criticism that this will lead to more sexualized girls, only that its food for pedos, which is silly.



sounds like those shots made you uncomfortable just as the director wanted.



That just sounds weird tbh.

Like Nathan said, there's other ways to say sexualizing kids is bad without showing 11 year olds in skimpy outfits.
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Sep 16 2020 07:04am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 16 2020 01:27am)
Watched part of it.

Its pretty disgusting. Its about explicit about sexualizing 11 year old girls as you can get.

Usually I err on the side of "I'm uncomfortable but art like this has a place" but Cuties is way over the line.

I almost never agree with Thor, but yeah basically this.

Excellent post, my friend!
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Sep 16 2020 07:17am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 16 2020 07:57am)
That just sounds weird tbh.

Like Nathan said, there's other ways to say sexualizing kids is bad without showing 11 year olds in skimpy outfits.


And yet most all people can agree sexualizing kids is bad and still it persists. if you dont make people feel uncomfortable the message doesnt do anything, its just moral filler.

in all my life i can say i learned more about how awful rape was in a few violent rape scenes in movies than every sunday of church stacked on top of each other.

Irréversible for example made me so sick i treated women better in dating, truly jarring stuff.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 16 2020 09:17am)
And yet most all people can agree sexualizing kids is bad and still it persists. if you dont make people feel uncomfortable the message doesnt do anything, its just moral filler.

in all my life i can say i learned more about how awful rape was in a few violent rape scenes in movies than every sunday of church stacked on top of each other.

Irréversible for example made me so sick i treated women better in dating, truly jarring stuff.


They were just acting it out.
They should have actually raped people to make you more uncomfortable and to make the message more powerful ala cuties
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Sep 16 2020 07:37am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 16 2020 08:36am)
They were just acting it out.
They should have actually raped people to make you more uncomfortable and to make the message more powerful ala cuties
/s


interestingly enough in Last Tango in Paris Nicholson and the director kept the details of the rape scene from the actress before shooting to get a vivid reaction on camera and it made me even more sick than if it was more graphic but totally consented to.
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