Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 15 2020 11:14pm)

Bail is a privilege. Usually the amount is large enough that the accused complies and comes back to court to recoup that large dollar amount.

Removing that mechanism will just result in court non compliance and honestly damage the justice system. You’ll end up with people not coming back because they’ve got nothing to lose.

It’s not about rich and poor it’s a necessary mechanism. Not surprised Thor doesn’t understand the mechanics though and why it’s a necessity. I’m sure he has some better idea for court compliance.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 15 2020 10:14pm)

Bail is a privilege. Usually the amount is large enough that the accused complies and comes back to court to recoup that large dollar amount.

Removing that mechanism will just result in court non compliance and honestly damage the justice system. You’ll end up with people not coming back because they’ve got nothing to lose.

It’s not about rich and poor it’s a necessary mechanism. Not surprised Thor doesn’t understand the mechanics though and why it’s a necessity. I’m sure he has some better idea for court compliance.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 15 2020 09:59pm)

even the world's stretchiest rubber band doesnt stretch that far. "if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you". access to justice is not an issue.

even if it were the case that someone needed that income to afford a lawyer, they still wouldnt be able to afford as much for one as someone more wealthy. so what? thats the advantage of being wealthy. you can buy expensive clothes and you can hire expensive lawyers. anyone who cant afford one will be provided with one. if you think the public defender is inadequate or incompetent, then sue them for malpractice.

letting criminals go free to commit more crimes should not be an option.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 15 2020 11:14pm)

This is demonstrably false. Public defenders' offices around the country have budgets that pale in comparison to that of prosecutions. It makes the news when a locality makes an attempt to erase the disparity.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 15 2020 11:40pm)

I love how you have to insult me instead of interact with what I actually posted though. Easier to pretend the other person is dumb when you just avoid what they say and strawman them into the ground.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 15 2020 08:42pm)

do they need as large a budget? how many people have been falsely convicted as a result of a poor public defender?

and as i said before, is the cheap lawyer that is all someone who is so strapped for cash can afford to hire going to be all that better than the public defender anyway?

i dont see needing to work to pay a lawyer as a legitimate reason for letting accused criminals back on the streets.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 15 2020 11:31pm)

thats what theyve done in ny, and its proved a failure. im proposing doing away with bail in the opposite direction - dont let them out at all. no worry about them coming back if theyre not out.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 15 2020 11:40pm)

Holding every accused person without bail is not the solution. Letting everybody go without bail is not the solution either.

In our current system bail is about being rich and poor.

I love how you have to insult me instead of interact with what I actually posted though. Easier to pretend the other person is dumb when you just avoid what they say and strawman them into the ground.



Please do some basic research on the quality of our public defender system. It's absolutely abysmal in this country.