And it’s wrong of you to trumpet over things you don’t understand. Sorry to red pill you, proud boy

This post was edited by AleKsRoBerto on Aug 26 2020 04:10pm

here's what i understand about this topic: Folks who endorse the wall are idiots. But the place they are coming from in justifying it is based on facts on the ground about illegal entry. It's not a 'symbol of xenophobia'. These idiots actually believe a wall will stop the influx of illegal crossings (Which they are wrong about)

The wait list for even the most qualified immigrants can be as high as 70 years. Our legal immigration system is so fundamentally broken that the argument "they should do it legally" is ridiculous.

We are losing out on a huge amount of skilled labor by having such a broken immigration system, and when the legal immigration system is virtually inaccessible the argument that they should "get in line and do it legally" holds no weight.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 26 2020 04:25pm

Are the many other countries with much stricter immigration policies xenophobic as well?

1/3 of our STEM graduates are unemployed. The only people that benefit from cheap immigrant slave labor from india and china are rich white people. You should be against immigration for wealth inequality purposes alone.



He doesnt have any numbers to support his opinion either way. He is just LARPing a news fantasy.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Aug 26 2020 04:30pm

reform imo

Citizens of a country get to decide what the qualifications are for entering. This is common sense, practiced by every nation, and in no respect indicative of xenophobia.

Republicans in 2020 "We will have a manned mission to Mars by 2024"

Democrats in 2020 "Haha Mexico didn't pay for the wall, tax returns, orange DRUMPF"

The question isn't really "are they xenophobic" but "does it matter that they're xenophobic."

Let's take Japan, for instance. They're pretty racist, and have very strict immigration policies.

But that doesn't really matter because they've been historically isolationist and the wealth of their country was not dependent on immigration. Theyve historically taken the good and bad parts of having an isolationist policy in stride, and when it came time to industrialize they did it almost entirely on the backs of their own citizens, instead of importing immigrants.


Now let's take the United States.

They've got a decent amount of explicit racism, with civil rights only happening one generation ago, and lots of implicit racism such as the voter ID law that was struck down because what methods of IDs were excluded was based specifically on what races used those IDs.

But does it matter? Yes. Because unlike Japan our wealth was almost entirely tied to immigration. We built our agriculture on slavery, built our railroads on Chinese and Mexican immigration, and are ourselves immigrants taking over native land. So it does matter that we're xenophobic since we are trying to have all the benefits while treating those who immigrate like shit.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 26 2020 04:33pm

If the Republican party was actually interested in reforming the legal immigration process, and while doing so they were saying "get in line" then nobody would call them xenophobic. (well, some crazies would, but you get what I mean)

Instead we have "get in line and do it legally" while Trump actively changes the system to make an already shitty system even worse, and when you interview Trump supporters you get shit where they say "Oh, those asylum seekers are legal immigrants under asylum laws? Trump should change that".