Quote (Santara @ 19 Jul 2020 22:18)

https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/the-chinese-surface-fleets-growing-anti-submarine-warfare-capabilities/

They're coming around after decades. Literally decades.

They've been expanding their anti-ship capabilities for years now, as well as anti-satellite (US military targeting is highly dependent on GPS), but the US Navy is in a class all by itself, and carries potent anti-missile defenses, not to mention the only operating fleet of super carriers in the world. The US Navy is also a true blue water navy, unlike the ChiComs brown water navy. But the creme de la creme of the USN is the silent service. The old Los Angeles class submarine carry 3 dozen torpedos, the new Virginia class mix in a couple dozen missiles for increased range. The submarines can take targeting data from drones and stealth aircraft and take down the ASW platforms from great distance, leaving the rest of an opposing fleet helpless from medium range torpedos.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 19 2020 03:37pm)

Interesting. The fact of the matter is still that the Chinese are closing the gap, and that they would be at a huge geographic advantage in a battle that's taking place literally in front of their own coastline. For now, the technological supremacy of the US Navy might be able to hold off an invasion of Taiwan, but this capability will fade away over time. I wouldnt rely on it too much.

So maybe I was wrong and the West could still respond militarily against an invasion of Taiwan in 2020, but I really doubt that they could still stop it in, say, 2030.

Quote (dro94 @ 19 Jul 2020 22:59)

Fuck sanctions, we can't allow peaceful democracies to be trampled on or it'll set a dangerous precedent. If they invade Taiwan then it should be full scale war with America and the EU.

It's a good thing EU countries are spending 2% of GDP on military isn't it.

Off topic slightly - here's a picture I took of Taipei from its highest building. I would highly recommend checking out Taiwan if you visit that part of the world.

https://imgur.com/JTA4JSC.jpg

Quote (Santara @ 19 Jul 2020 22:56)

That's the point of being a blue water navy. You can project your power wherever you want, because you have excellent worldwide logistics and repair facilities. When the USN decides to occupy, it keeps warships on station and brings supplies and replacements to the fleet. The ship I served on back in the day, along with the USS Dwight D Eisenhower has been underway without a port call for about 6 straight months. Underway refueling, rearmament, and resupply are all integrated capabilities for the USN.

Quote (dro94 @ Jul 19 2020 04:59pm)

Fuck sanctions, we can't allow peaceful democracies to be trampled on or it'll set a dangerous precedent. If they invade Taiwan then it should be full scale war with America and the EU.

It's a good thing EU countries are spending 2% of GDP on military isn't it.

Off topic slightly - here's a picture I took of Taipei from its highest building. I would highly recommend checking out Taiwan if you visit that part of the world.

https://imgur.com/JTA4JSC.jpg

Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 19 2020 11:59am)

well they certainly should defend a democratic nation against the invasion of commies

will it happen? unlikely

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 19 2020 06:44pm)

It would still require huge logistics and causes astronomically high costs to keep up a large operation at the other side of the planet for months, like holding off a Chinese fleet at its own shore line. China is a behemoth, and their logistics and costs would be far lower.

And let's not forget that China could deploy all its airforce and cruise missiles to target the American fleet standing between their shore and Taiwan. As soon as they can deal with the American submarines, it becomes an unwinnable and costly stalemate that the US cant maintain indefinitely.